|
Post by vicheron on Nov 12, 2008 3:00:17 GMT -5
Let's say that the Connors' identities are compromised, law enforcement knows that the Baums are the Connors and so does Skynet or at least the Terminator(s) it sent back to kill John will know. The Terminator finds out the school that John Baum went to and asks around to find out that Riley hung out with John. The Terminator then looks up Riley and finds out where she lives. It goes to her house and kidnaps/tortures/kills her to get to the Connors. Of course, the Connors could just flee and get new identities. But what are they going to do about Riley? If she stays where she lives and keeps doing what she normally does then a Terminator will find her and try to use her to get to the Connors. She can't really start a new life since she doesn't have the skills or the resources. The only option the Connors have would be to either kill her or take her with them.
|
|
traitorsgate
Sergeant
This is Cam. She's trained for an Off-World kick murder squad. Talk about Beauty and the Beast.
Posts: 264
|
Post by traitorsgate on Nov 12, 2008 3:29:02 GMT -5
Let's say that the Connors' identities are compromised, law enforcement knows that the Baums are the Connors and so does Skynet or at least the Terminator(s) it sent back to kill John will know. The Terminator finds out the school that John Baum went to and asks around to find out that Riley hung out with John. The Terminator then looks up Riley and finds out where she lives. It goes to her house and kidnaps/tortures/kills her to get to the Connors. Of course, the Connors could just flee and get new identities. But what are they going to do about Riley? If she stays where she lives and keeps doing what she normally does then a Terminator will find her and try to use her to get to the Connors. She can't really start a new life since she doesn't have the skills or the resources. The only option the Connors have would be to either kill her or take her with them. Assuming for the sake of argument Riley is brought into the fold so to speak then the first thing that would be done is she'd be given a false identity. As for her not having the necessary skills well just remember Sarah Connor started off as a waitress. In reality yes Cameron or Derek should arrange for Riley to have a tragic accident, assuming the writers aren't going to be that nihilistic (it isn't BSG after all) then the Riley issue needs to be brought to a head, sooner rather than later. The problem now is that the writers have brought her in to a degree that John & Riley can't just carry on like a normal couple of lust-struck teens but then neither can John simply drop her after everything she's seen. So either Cameron or Derek do there thing or she needs to be told everything. If Riley subsequently freaks then her fate would be sealed as I'd say Derek and Cameron would probably be tripping over each other to pull the trigger. Either way I'm hoping that the writers bring the Riley issue to a head ideally in this episode as to have things continue as they are is simply absurd.
|
|
|
Post by vicheron on Nov 12, 2008 4:33:15 GMT -5
That's assuming that Riley is willing to go through all that at the beginning. It's also assuming that she has no one else in her life. The Connors have no one else to worry about, they have no family or any close friends. Riley may still have someone, a grandparent or an uncle, someone the machines could use to get to her.
|
|
timstuff
Private
Scary robot? Naw...
Posts: 232
|
Post by timstuff on Nov 12, 2008 4:54:15 GMT -5
The part about "nightmares creeping into her real life" sounds ominously like some "psychic" or "supernatural" crap - which I hope not, since this is supposed to be a sort of "hard sci-fi" show. Just adding my two cents, but Terminator has always had supernatural elements. The very concept of time travel and knowing one's own destiny brings up some important questions about free will versus predestination, which has been a hot topic in Christianity for many centuries. Also, it's questionable if Sarah's nightmares are just a result of her having knowledge of Judgment Day, or if she is actually some kind of modern-day prophet. After all, did she not receive a vision of Kyle Reese in T2 that forewarned her of the upcoming attempt on John's life, which is why she was motivated to escape from the mental hospital despite having no "real" knowledge that a Terminator was hot on John's trail? Fate and destiny have always been huge themes in Terminator, and these very concepts are supernatural ones. However, even though fate and destiny are related concept, they are not necessarily the same. Fate is a neutral force--it's cold, uncaring, and exists only to hold us to whatever path we were born into. Destiny, however, implies a divine plan by a benevolent force's will. And then of course, there's the concept of free will, which is that the things that happen in our lives are through our own choices. Sarah Connor has accepted her fate / destiny. John, however, is still trying to reconcile his with his own free will. He knows that he is part of something much bigger than himself, but he is still trying to reconcile it with free will. In that way, you could look at him almost like a kid who's been raised in a Christian home, and now that he's a man he must decide whether he wants to stay with it, or find his own way through the world. There have always been supernatural undertones and overtones at play in Terminator, and the show just expanded upon them.
|
|
|
Post by chrisimo on Nov 12, 2008 6:04:19 GMT -5
Just adding my two cents, but Terminator has always had supernatural elements. The very concept of time travel and knowing one's own destiny brings up some important questions about free will versus predestination, which has been a hot topic in Christianity for many centuries. Also, it's questionable if Sarah's nightmares are just a result of her having knowledge of Judgment Day, or if she is actually some kind of modern-day prophet. After all, did she not receive a vision of Kyle Reese in T2 that forewarned her of the upcoming attempt on John's life, which is why she was motivated to escape from the mental hospital despite having no "real" knowledge that a Terminator was hot on John's trail? There were police detectives in the mental hospital to talk to Sarah, because at that day a guy was photographed in a shopping mall that looked exactly like the guy who killed so many cops in a police station in 1984. Sarah knew another Terminator was sent back. That's when she decided to break out. Fate and destiny have always been huge themes in Terminator, and these very concepts are supernatural ones. However, even though fate and destiny are related concept, they are not necessarily the same. Fate is a neutral force--it's cold, uncaring, and exists only to hold us to whatever path we were born into. Destiny, however, implies a divine plan by a benevolent force's will. And then of course, there's the concept of free will, which is that the things that happen in our lives are through our own choices. Sarah Connor has accepted her fate / destiny. John, however, is still trying to reconcile his with his own free will. He knows that he is part of something much bigger than himself, but he is still trying to reconcile it with free will. In that way, you could look at him almost like a kid who's been raised in a Christian home, and now that he's a man he must decide whether he wants to stay with it, or find his own way through the world. There have always been supernatural undertones and overtones at play in Terminator, and the show just expanded upon them.[/quote]
|
|
|
Post by theturk on Nov 12, 2008 10:35:14 GMT -5
Just a note: Sarah's dreams are most emphatically not supernatural in nature in this episode.
|
|
|
Post by ga5speed02 on Nov 12, 2008 10:51:26 GMT -5
There were police detectives in the mental hospital to talk to Sarah, because at that day a guy was photographed in a shopping mall that looked exactly like the guy who killed so many cops in a police station in 1984. Sarah knew another Terminator was sent back. That's when she decided to break out. yes cause that guy in the station said "these photographs where taken in a mall in Reseda(sp).....today" so she knew he was back to kill her or john. but it really was reprogrammed arnald
|
|
schmacky
Major
"Make yourself useful."
Posts: 522
|
Post by schmacky on Nov 12, 2008 13:51:47 GMT -5
There were police detectives in the mental hospital to talk to Sarah, because at that day a guy was photographed in a shopping mall that looked exactly like the guy who killed so many cops in a police station in 1984. Sarah knew another Terminator was sent back. That's when she decided to break out. yes cause that guy in the station said "these photographs where taken in a mall in Reseda(sp).....today" so she knew he was back to kill her or john. but it really was reprogrammed arnald But didn't she have her vision of Kyle before they told her that? Or was it after? It would be cool if Sarah's dreams were more than just her paranoia. I like to think that her dream in the pilot was a warning and that's why she fled so suddenly. She just knew something was wrong and it was time to go. Sadly, Cromartie found them because they left.
|
|
|
Post by ga5speed02 on Nov 12, 2008 14:38:29 GMT -5
yes cause that guy in the station said "these photographs where taken in a mall in Reseda(sp).....today" so she knew he was back to kill her or john. but it really was reprogrammed arnald But didn't she have her vision of Kyle before they told her that? Or was it after? It would be cool if Sarah's dreams were more than just her paranoia. I like to think that her dream in the pilot was a warning and that's why she fled so suddenly. She just knew something was wrong and it was time to go. Sadly, Cromartie found them because they left. i think it was before. wasnt her dream when she was in mexico with john and carved 'no fate' into the table. oh well wee need to be on topic i guess lol
|
|
|
Post by chrisimo on Nov 12, 2008 15:01:53 GMT -5
yes cause that guy in the station said "these photographs where taken in a mall in Reseda(sp).....today" so she knew he was back to kill her or john. but it really was reprogrammed arnald But didn't she have her vision of Kyle before they told her that? Or was it after? Her dream happened after the guards beat her and gave her some medicine. But this was only seen in the Director's Cut. The meeting with the cops happened later.
|
|
schmacky
Major
"Make yourself useful."
Posts: 522
|
Post by schmacky on Nov 12, 2008 15:03:36 GMT -5
Considering this episode is about Sarah's dreams, I think talking about Sarah's prior dreams is on topic. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
|
|
timstuff
Private
Scary robot? Naw...
Posts: 232
|
Post by timstuff on Nov 12, 2008 15:08:08 GMT -5
But didn't she have her vision of Kyle before they told her that? Or was it after? Her dream happened after the guards beat her and gave her some medicine. But this was only seen in the Director's Cut. The meeting with the cops happened later. Yeah, that's what I remember too. She had the vision of Kyle, and then the visit from the cops which confirmed what Kyle had said to her in the dream. One could chock it up to "coincidence," but that would be an awfully big one to swallow. I personally like the idea that Sarah is some kind of prophet, even if she's not really aware of it.
|
|
rossbondreturns
Corporal
Summer 08 Wallpaper Challenge Winner!
Posts: 1,617
|
Post by rossbondreturns on Nov 12, 2008 15:08:53 GMT -5
Just a note: Sarah's dreams are most emphatically not supernatural in nature in this episode. Quoted so this doesn't get lost. Thanks Zack.
|
|
schmacky
Major
"Make yourself useful."
Posts: 522
|
Post by schmacky on Nov 12, 2008 15:18:21 GMT -5
He said in this episode.
|
|
|
Post by oneye on Nov 12, 2008 15:56:13 GMT -5
Why did Cromartie appear @ the end of the preview? I hope he's coming back. I've always wondered if Terminator's did back ups. What if those back ups were located somewhere else in the endoskeleton? All it would take is for SkyNet to send another (new, improved model?) back in time to complete a data retrieval and start a new mission where the old "terminated" Terminator left off.
|
|