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Post by jen22 on Sept 12, 2008 20:37:48 GMT -5
They have to be really careful in how they show these flashbacks. No matter from what perspective or angle it has to always give us the impression that Cameron was there but that she is not that girl. That it is not the girl's POV.
We haven't seen much yet but we saw a human 'Cameron' come crashing out a door tripping and falling. The camera was pointed from above looking down while a net was shot to capture the girl. Now from that perspective Terminator Cameron had to have been standing on the roof of the building.
In the trailer after last weeks episode we see a close up of human Cameron with a pained expression. Terminator Cameron had to have been really close for that. Probably torturing the girl?
Another is human Cameron running through a doorway towards the camera. Is she headed straight for Terminator Cameron?
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Post by allergygal on Sept 12, 2008 20:39:20 GMT -5
Larger photos are loaded in the gallery now. I'd assume Cameron losing her memory is a result of the physical damage to her chip that's not been repaired. John cleaned it and stuck it back in, but I think all that did was reset her programming, not fix the damage. She might have other problems besides memory loss.
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Post by vicheron on Sept 12, 2008 20:42:10 GMT -5
I just hope that there isn't any human-Terminator mind meld.
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Post by traitorsgate on Sept 12, 2008 20:42:48 GMT -5
Those pics at the grocery store are a laugh, with watermelons lying everywhere. Cyborg v Fresh Produce, now taking bets on who one that argument. Edit: On a more serious note Cameron is also looking decidedly more human in those pics in the store, in that the way she is sitting is not unlike a woman who was aware of the fact that she's wearing a short skirt. I mention this as Summer Glau has commented on the fact that she often has to consciously be aware of the way that she sits so as not to appear to much like a female human.
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Post by Deep Art Frummy on Sept 12, 2008 20:46:03 GMT -5
Judging from the photos, Cameron must have went on a watermelon rampage.
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Post by Erika on Sept 12, 2008 20:53:44 GMT -5
Like the other 4 from the episode set perhaps? That would be lovely
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Post by jen22 on Sept 12, 2008 21:13:14 GMT -5
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Post by Erika on Sept 12, 2008 23:27:26 GMT -5
Thanks Jana!
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Post by cyadon on Sept 12, 2008 23:34:01 GMT -5
The one with Cameron on the floor has such a 'lost puppy' quality about it. Of course, it helps that Summer has the big wide eyes for it, too.
And the one with the apple. I get a serious 'what's this?' vibe from what she's doing. Next she'll be staring at a snowglobe.
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Post by Deep Art Frummy on Sept 12, 2008 23:45:06 GMT -5
I feel like I'm looking @ Zack from Heroes in that pic of John.
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Post by driftlight23 on Sept 13, 2008 1:39:23 GMT -5
I did wonder for a while if Cameron is in fact a model designed by Skynet to extract information from captured Resistance prisoners by posing as an injured captive herself and thus gaining their sympathy, possibly even becoming more intimate than that. That was kind of based on Derek's reaction to her.
'Allison from Palmdale' could be her alias, and default memories of that persona - the cover story, if you like - start to resurface in the absence of her usual state. Not sure if that's even remotely likely, but we pretty much assume it was Cameron in the basement with Derek.
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Post by t101 on Sept 13, 2008 2:58:42 GMT -5
I did wonder for a while if Cameron is in fact a model designed by Skynet to extract information from captured Resistance prisoners by posing as an injured captive herself and thus gaining their sympathy, possibly even becoming more intimate than that. That was kind of based on Derek's reaction to her. 'Allison from Palmdale' could be her alias, and default memories of that persona - the cover story, if you like - start to resurface in the absence of her usual state. Not sure if that's even remotely likely, but we pretty much assume it was Cameron in the basement with Derek. That's a really great explanation. It always seemed that whatever Derek experienced with her involved some kind of deception. He *knows* just how well she lies. Allison from Palmdale may indeed be the role out of her lost memories from before she was reprogrammed. But also could be that the name leads her to find out about the real person she's based on. Just, dear gods, please no "she used to be human" plot twist, or any variation like having real memories of being human.
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Post by traitorsgate on Sept 13, 2008 3:26:35 GMT -5
I don't want to see it either but I'm all but convinced the Producers are set in the idea of having a Human Cameron. This will clear the way for a Cameron John relationship which it would appear so many people (God only knows why) have their hearts set on. You can't have a John Cyborg Cameron relationship in the future and expect to sell that as the guy is meant to be the leader in a war against the machines, his peers simply wouldn't accept it.
So I'd say it's a safe bet to say that Cameron was a member of the human resistance who John had some sort of relationship with, professional/platonic/intimate doesn't really matter which, she possibly saves his life and is killed/captured for her troubles and is used by Skynet as a template for another model. This Terminator is then captured by the resistance and reprogrammed by JC and sent back in time to save his ass yet again.
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Post by richardstevenhack on Sept 13, 2008 3:35:40 GMT -5
I don't think they made a Terminator copy of "Vic". That would imply somehow that in the future they knew about the original Vic in the present, could copy him perfectly, then send back that specific Terminator. It also wouldn't explain the roomful of "Vic" Terminators John saw on Vic's chip.
I'd say it's certain that the Vic Terminator went through the whole process of meeting, seducing and marrying Barbara as the "original" Vic. And that implies that he was around for some considerable time before the Connors stumbled across him or the Reese team found out about him - even assuming it was a "whirlwind romance",
That leads to some scary propositions, like how long have some Terminators been operating without the Connors being aware of it?
And what else has been going on? Again, I wonder about that "engineer" they sent back to 1963 to build that time machine in the bank vault (not to mention how it was done without a massive energy source). What happened to him after he completed his mission? Did he just grow old and drop dead eventually? What did Cameron mean about "so we'd always have a way home?" I thought you couldn't go forward in time, only backward, using that tech. And why would anyone want to go forward to a desolated world when they could stay safe in the present (at least until Judgment Day occurred)?
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Post by t101 on Sept 13, 2008 3:41:04 GMT -5
No they did make a copy of Vic. There was originally a scene where that's explained. But I think it was fairly obvious from the episode. Judging by Barabara's reaction to him it was evident that he was normal but became creepy and withdrawn after the 'car accident'. And you can see how their relationship is struggling because of the change in him.
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