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Post by Derek Reese on Mar 2, 2008 21:13:08 GMT -5
Exactly, what I thought about Derek's actions rosedscare.
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Post by supernatural66 on Mar 3, 2008 3:57:39 GMT -5
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Post by Derek Reese on Mar 3, 2008 3:59:34 GMT -5
Good news, but I'm with you. I haven't seen any other source mention its return thus far.
Hoping for a press release from FOX as such.
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Post by dhfreak on Mar 3, 2008 4:03:19 GMT -5
I really like to know about the future in the second season. There are a lot of strings that are being pull. For example, the conversation of Derek and Cameron in the kitchen. What do they really know about each other? What is their true purpose?
If they were send to the past to change it why aren't they saying the truth to the Connor's? Why doesn't Sarah tell Derek about him being John's Uncle? There is no way he can go back to the future. Or is there?
So many question that I can't wait to be answered. lol.
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Post by Derek Reese on Mar 3, 2008 14:59:12 GMT -5
Just a matter of time...hopefully
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Post by rossbondreturns on Mar 3, 2008 17:29:31 GMT -5
Lest I say again Dereks actions through killing Andy have only worsened the future that is yet to come not made it better.
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Post by Derek Reese on Mar 3, 2008 17:31:00 GMT -5
Could go either way considering the cirucmstances, but then again we don't know what made Skynet in this 'verse.
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Post by rossbondreturns on Mar 3, 2008 18:16:50 GMT -5
Yes but Andy was a calming factor to Skynet...without that calming factor...well Skynet could wreak more destruction during the first missile strike
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Post by roseredscare on Mar 3, 2008 18:31:22 GMT -5
Killing 3 billion people in one day seems bad enough.
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Post by Derek Reese on Mar 3, 2008 18:43:56 GMT -5
It's possible. It worked in the old timeline, but the new timeline is open game now. That's all I'm saying.
I can see it going either way, but that's just my speculation.
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Post by tzigone on Mar 4, 2008 9:16:03 GMT -5
Sarah did - telling him. It worked with Miles Dyson - stopped him cold. It didn't stop Skynet, of course, but killing wouldn't have either. And, it also leads to the possibility they could get the genius-programmer on their side, and that could be a big help.
I have my pessimistic and optimistic predictions for the next season. Shows have let me down frequently enough that I have to have both. And this show, to me, is particularly good at having lots of potential and not quite living up to it (hopefully much of this was due the writer's strike and will be better next season). Not all of these are reasonable, but I think all of them stand at least some chance of occurring (some much bigger chances than others).
Pessimistic Predictions 1. Derek will be a regular. His murdering and willingness to murder will be overlooked/white-washed/tacitly condoned. He will be deemed "cool" and a great parental/adviser/mentor to John and his method will be "necessary." This one seems very likely to me (the white-washing his actions part, in particular), and I'd hate it.
2. Romance between Cameron and John. I know it's a popular pairing, but it's another one I don't want.
3. Huge fear - futureJohn condones awful methods. He was behind the safehouse (I find unlikely) or he's okay with killing innocents or doing "whatever is necessary" to win. More likely, but also feared: FutureJohn has no friends, no Kate, is a dark, depressing figure or "deeply flawed man" instead of the shining, admirable, brave, phenomenal hero he was presented as in the first two movies. I always thought of him as someone with strength, stronger than his mom, even, more than her. More than most anyone. The one who could do all this without being an emotional wreck or sacrificing what mattered to him or giving up having a life.
4. More whiny, emo John who doesn't step up and do it. One who doesn't stand firm against Derek-type methods. More John-as-a-kid. I think he needs to be getting more adult, not being more defined as a kid. I want to see him being the fighter and leader, and I want to see it consistently and see it now - the war is now (the opening credits say so).
5. Welcome to "The Derek and Cameron Show" - where they get all the attention, the storylines, and gray areas and moral ambiguity are what it's all about.
6. Really minor and unlikely - reference that Kyle had girlfriends/lovers before Sarah. I think that's be contradictory to the movie's intent, and I'd hate it.
7. More screwing with the events of the first two movies. I despised it in "The Demon Hand" and never want to see that done again.
8. That we will never find out exactly what happened in the basement.
Optimistic Predictions 1. There will be more follow-up to Derek being off mission and to his actions, and to that John doesn't know about them. Derek will continue with his methods. John will find out. John and Sarah will condemn said actions. Derek may then go on a redemptive arc or be killed. I do not support him going his own way, because he'll have to pop up again and they'll be fighting him, too, as well as Skynet and the show would, IMO, be too much about him. Extra points if John stands strong and absolutely refuses to allow Derek to continue and it is made plain that that is one of the reasons John Connor is the leader.
2. Some discussion of Kyle between Derek and Sarah where they disagree and we come down on Sarah's side.
3. For the highschool storyline to tie into the Skynet storyline. I have no idea how that could happen, but I'd look forward to it. Also to John gathering followers (even among the high school crowd) or at least showing leadership qualities in some arena, even if it's not Terminator/Skynet related.
4. For the highschool storyline to finished and not dropped, if they don't want to continue with it. I don't think it will be dropped, but it does seem to be unpopular around some sets of fans.
5. John stepping up and leading - consistently. Gaining some autonomy in his mother's eyes. Eventually leading even her (but not in until the middle of the third season, at least). I don't mean just coming up with the plans, but being a leader.
6. Sarah dealing with that her role as protector/preparer of John must change. It's been her purpose in life, but it can't stay that way. She has been protecting and preparing for the day he would fight. And today is that day. It goes against all of her parental instincts, but she must encourage him in this dangerous endeavor. It's time. Watching her deal with that - that could be fabulous.
7. John learns about Sarah's cancer. I'm not entirely sure I want this. It's helpless and powerlessness for John, which I don't really want so much. But the emotional potential there is just fabulous. Save it for at least half-way through the season, though.
8. Kate Brewster shows up (okay, unlikely anyway, but very unlikely until season 3, but I'm putting it on my list anyway). Her father and Skynet and such is part of the plotline (though perhaps not immediately). John does feel an instant connection, but does not act on it in a romantic sense (she's too old for him). John does not immediately remember her from junior high. She recognizes John or Sarah immediately and actually reacts to the non-aging of John. She's a well-written character who does not kick-butt immediately, but can be taught. John does not find out about her being his future wife for at least 6 episodes, but does find out about her being a friend and second-in-command early on. Extra points if she has a former fiancee and ended it because it just didn't feel "right."
9. Charley does not cut and run after finally understand exactly how dangerous a Terminator is (don't think it's likely he will, I admit). But he is profoundly affected and freaked out and comes to better understand just how strong Sarah and John are. Maybe even more skeeved by Cameron? Issues with his wife over nightmares or the extra drink or something would be nice. He should also let her know the FBI agent is a fake and killer for her own safety. Extra points if she also eventually becomes a member of the Connor crew and wants to help fight.
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Post by t101 on Mar 4, 2008 11:38:40 GMT -5
1) The safe bet. Cameron will be fixed back to normal, whatever damage she's taken. I'd like to see her dysfunctional for a while and see how it affects their whole operation. They could really showcase her usefulness by letting us see what's it like when she isn't there to back them up.
2) Derek is staying for quiet a while. There will be more of him in the future (as in past JD).
3) The FBI is really going to be on this full time. Ellison will have some tough decisions, between his job and helping the Connors do their thing and stay hidden.
4) Charlie will be a regular as well.
5) They'll have more use for Vick's chip.
6) Sarkosyan problem will be dealt with quickly so that they don't have to change their house. But the Turk will persevere.
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Post by tzigone on Mar 4, 2008 11:50:37 GMT -5
1) The safe bet. Cameron will be fixed back to normal, whatever damage she's taken. I'd like to see her dysfunctional for a while and see how it affects their whole operation. They could really showcase her usefulness by letting us see what's it like when she isn't there to back them up. But we already know her usefulness - she kicks butt. And does so extremely well. And scares people (still one of the funniest things about Heavy Metal). And I don't exactly want her to be indispensable. A great asset, sure, but I think John Connor should be the only indispensable person in this war. Well, and Skynet, itself, of course. I'm not sure what they'll do with Cameron. She will, of course, be back, as you said. I don't think they'll want more than an ep without SG, though. And I don't think they'll want her out of the action - her in action is just too popular. And we saw the doctors Cromartie had to go through to get normal-looking again. I don't really see a need for a repeat with Cameron (and I don't see how that skin could be useful, either - it should be dead, right?). OTOH, there's no point in it having been Cameron in the car if whoever it was was going to get out before it blew somehow. I think minor damage that heals quickly seems fairly likely. Agreed - most fans love him, and TPTB would be fools to ignore that. Plus, even if he was only going to be there for an arc, it isn't done yet. Definitely. How much it'll connect to the Connors v. connecting to a murderer who stole someone's eyes is a little up-in-the-air. The FBI might not immediately connect him to the Connors. I do expect Ellison to keep his mouth shut about the robots (he's seen what happens when you blab), but he's going to have to have an answer as to why he's alive and what happened. I think he'll either be recurring or a regular in the sense of Lois/Jimmy/Lionel on Smallville - only in half the eps.
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Post by vicheron on Mar 4, 2008 16:47:39 GMT -5
Boy, is Sarkissian going to be surprised when he sees Cameron again. Can you say, "G-g-g-ghost!?"
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Post by cancelbutton on Mar 4, 2008 18:13:56 GMT -5
IF they do cancel it (god forbid) then we will just have to do what the jericho people did. But instead of peanuts, we will send them nuts(the metal ones).
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