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Post by Derek Reese on May 1, 2008 1:59:24 GMT -5
I'm with K. The situation has a little of everything built into it. Certain things will be evident in the war, but not used that much. There's always going to be some need one way or another.
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Post by luojieyong on May 1, 2008 6:52:58 GMT -5
Yeah, I just mean that they've placed a lot of emphasis on John's hacking skills, so it just seems like a big deal. Also when you have John's hacking skills contrasting with his lack of on field skills, it makes it seem like a real big part of John.
I'm still sticking with the idea that John is a great leader because of his strategy and leadership skills. Kyle said "you believe the things he says", so I think SSC won't deviate much from that.
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Post by Derek Reese on May 1, 2008 13:46:47 GMT -5
Definitely very true there.
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Post by terminatornerd on Jun 11, 2008 10:44:19 GMT -5
I think Fox should definitely go for broke and do a full 22-24 episode Season 2 run!
13 episodes, after only getting 9 last season, seems like such a let down. Though, I am happy it's coming back.
13 episodes at only 41 minutes each is not exactly a lot of time to explore a lot of stuff in any detail. It'll seem very stripped down since they didn't get a chance to finish the Season 1 story and then having to shoe horn in season 2's script in a short amount of time.
Doesn't seem fair.
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Post by rossbondreturns on Jun 12, 2008 0:36:13 GMT -5
The funny thing is that 13-16 episodes a season is actually more the norm now a days rather than the exception.
We shall see though.
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Post by k8ie on Jun 12, 2008 10:03:17 GMT -5
A 13 episode order gives TSCC more than enough time to structure a tight, exciting, tense season. In some ways, having less time initially to tell a story helps keep the story focused. I keep thinking that BSG went to pot the moment Ron Moore had 20 episodes a season to work with instead of 13.
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Post by Erika on Jun 12, 2008 13:22:01 GMT -5
And remember so long as TSCC brings in steady ratings, we'll probably get an announcement that they'll extend the season for the full 22 episodes. They only ordered 7 Dollhouse eps and will need something to plop into the winter schedule before 24...9 more eps of TSCC would fit that bill perfectly.
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Post by k8ie on Jun 12, 2008 16:50:11 GMT -5
Exactly.
Personally, I think two separate story arcs with lots of things blowing up and danger, would work better for the TSCC than a single season-long storyline. People don't watch TV the way they used to - I don't think a series can afford to wangst about through 22 episodes like they could even a few seasons ago. I mean, Veronica Mars put out probably the best single season of broadcast TV I've ever seen they're first year out of the box and no one watched. Partly it was UPN's fault, partly it was a hard show to market but a lot of it was that an audience just isn't prepared to stick with a TV show through a season the way they used to. A shorter, tighter season is definitely the way to go, if you ask me. You see it with LOST this season, for example.
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Post by Erika on Jun 12, 2008 18:40:09 GMT -5
Right - take BSG for example - they split their seasons up in 1/2 which means that they've got like 11 episodes to cram full of story and they're not left w/ any room for crappy filler eps that they might have if their seasons were longer. I really enjoyed the first season of TSCC because it was tightly written and none of the episodes were written such that there wasn't something mentioned in them that would later be revisited.
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Post by vicheron on Jun 12, 2008 22:32:49 GMT -5
A lot of times filler episodes have nothing to do with the number of episodes. It has to do with budget. They often make filler episodes so that they could save up money for a great two parter or season finale.
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Post by jdub87 on Jun 12, 2008 22:44:06 GMT -5
Right - take BSG for example - they split their seasons up in 1/2 which means that they've got like 11 episodes to cram full of story and they're not left w/ any room for crappy filler eps that they might have if their seasons were longer. I really enjoyed the first season of TSCC because it was tightly written and none of the episodes were written such that there wasn't something mentioned in them that would later be revisited. Definitely some of the lessons Friedman learned at BSG. Both shows are so amazing and innovative IMO. Love 'em.
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Post by Derek Reese on Jun 13, 2008 1:44:27 GMT -5
Doesn't mean that the filler episodes don't hold some importance to the play of the arc.
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Post by vicheron on Jun 13, 2008 2:00:31 GMT -5
Filler episodes are generally used for character development, especially with minor characters.
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Post by terminatornerd on Jun 13, 2008 14:52:19 GMT -5
And I'm all for character development.
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Post by k8ie on Jun 13, 2008 15:04:16 GMT -5
Character development is a huge part of any series but I'm always spooked by writers who seem to lionize BSG. It's largely well-written but there were too many episodes in seasons two and three stopped the series' momentum d-e-a-d and involved too many WTF moments - I'm thinking of "Black Market" from season two and "Hero" from season three. Other eps, like "A Measure of Salvation" were bad, bad, badly written but did have a roll to play in the overall development and moment of the characters and plot for the season. And even this season, "The Road Less Travelled" and "Faith" could have been rolled into a single episode without loss and neither "Ties That Bind" nor "Escape Velocity" were actually worth the time devoted to them. Coming out of Trek, Ron Moore's weakness is sustaining a story arc over an entire seasons worth of episodes. There's no reset button on BSG, to the show's credit, but keeping a story or a character's development rolling smoothly forward is not his strongest suit as a writer.
While I'm not a Whedon fan, per se, I think he's probably the best character writer in TV today. And I think with Veronica Mars, Rob Thomas wrote the best-plotted season of North American TV I've ever seen.
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