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Post by vicheron on Jun 13, 2008 18:54:50 GMT -5
Ron Moore did work on Star Trek: Deep Space 9, which didn't have a reset button. He managed to sustain the Dominion story arc for 5 years as well as keep the Bajor and Prophets arcs going on as well. In fact, the show only started to focus on story arcs after Ron Moore became more involved in the show.
BSG is a very different kind of show than Star Trek even though they deal with many of the same ideas. BSG is focused much more on the individual, it's much more personal. Star Trek definitely has some of that but it deals more with the larger ideas and principles. While Star Trek does show the internal struggle characters go through when they make tough decisions, it focuses more on the grand scheme of things like with the Prime Directive and the fate of entire civilizations.
It's not that Ron Moore doesn't know how to sustain a story arc. It's just that he doesn't have as much experience dealing with a show like BSG.
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Post by Derek Reese on Jun 13, 2008 22:29:46 GMT -5
There are too many shows that use the filler episodes for nothing of the sort. Saying that the biggest portion of the shows do use it for character development is giving filler episodes too much credit for what they are. Purely filler and nothing more. Its not called a filler episode for its own good.
If there's a strong arc behind it and has a reason for actually being put in place then its definitely not filler territory, but so few shows have actually managed that lately. Or at least the shows I'm a fan of.
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Post by vicheron on Jun 13, 2008 23:12:29 GMT -5
A filler episode is one that doesn't move the main plot. They're used for many reasons. Like I said before, TV shows often use filler episodes to save up money for a two parter or a season finale. They could give background information on characters or show character motivation. They are sometimes used to give writers a chance to experiment with new themes and different types of storytelling. They can also be used to give actors more involvement in shaping the story. A lot of actors start directing by making filler episodes. Of course, networks sometimes force shows to do a special theme episode like a "save the environment" or "don't do drugs" kind of thing.
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Post by Derek Reese on Jun 14, 2008 18:09:56 GMT -5
Could and couldn't. Depends, but I'm halting this as it is. This isn't FILLER EPISODE DISCUSSION. This thread is FUTURE SPECULATION. So moving on......
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Post by theturk on Jun 14, 2008 23:46:52 GMT -5
Like many series, we're planning to do a mix of big, event episodes and smaller, more character-based stories, but I wouldn't call any of them filler. The overstory moves forward in all of them, sometimes in big leaps, sometimes in baby steps.
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Post by Derek Reese on Jun 15, 2008 4:58:56 GMT -5
Thanks for the heads up, Turk. Its very much appreciated.
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Post by terminatornerd on Jun 15, 2008 12:28:32 GMT -5
Like many series, we're planning to do a mix of big, event episodes and smaller, more character-based stories, but I wouldn't call any of them filler. The overstory moves forward in all of them, sometimes in big leaps, sometimes in baby steps. Good to hear! Filler, IMHO, is when they show a "recap" episode, or "best of" episode (like in the past on TV that they've thankfully pretty much moved away from). Small and intimate, character driven stories and moments that flesh out all the main characters are not filler to me. Poignant stuff like with Derek and John at the park on John's birthday (I got misty eyed, I will admit), Cameron dancing or trying to engage John in conversation, or Cam just trying to explore and respond about what it is to be human, etc... the memorable moments. It can't all be about EXPLOSIONS and kicking ass (you tend to forget those scenes over time). It's the humanity you remember. Any hints (at all) that Fox could give you a few more episodes this season than just 13? 9 episodes last year (by bad luck and bad timing--- though I did support the writers' strike) and some possibly lost story ideas and opportunities (according to Josh), and now only 13 (that we know of) for Season 2 seems, to me, like it's a smack in the face to the fans and the writers, and actors, and everyone else associated with this show. I don't know your views on all this, and I don't know if you can divulge much personally, but these are mine anyway. And off topic: We lost a giant in the field of journalism and the world of politics the other day, Tim Russert of "Meet the Press" fame. He died on Friday at the age of 58 while doing what he loved best: bringing insight and truth to the public. He will be deeply missed. There will be a gaping hole in that profession much like with the death of Edward R. Murrow or when Walter Cronkite retired, and other media greats like them that will not be easily filled. I didn't know Tim, I only watched him on TV for many years, but it was very hard getting through the "Meet the Press" tribute today without shedding a few tears. My thoughts go out to his friends and family as they struggle with the loss of a good man. RIP
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Post by k8ie on Jun 16, 2008 13:56:43 GMT -5
Edited: Sorry, Twightlight, I responded before I saw your post... no more filler ep discussion here, I promise. Thanks, Turk. It's always cool to read your insights. So... about those "character-based stories" any hints? Please? Pretty please? No, huh? Thought so... *sigh* So... speculation. I speculate there will be a lot of running. And shooting things. That sounds like a safe bet.
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Post by Erika on Jun 16, 2008 14:24:58 GMT -5
Guys - try to keep all blatant off-topic conversation out of the thread - there are tons of areas in the forums where you can create new threads to discuss other topics.
Thanks
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Post by kgx2001 on Jun 16, 2008 17:57:32 GMT -5
I may be extremely late in this statement, but I am stoked to see Shirley Manson on the show. First seeing the news story made me break out the old Garbage albums.
Is the photo of her as Catherine Weaver still available anywhere?
On another note: I, too, am a little disappointed with only 13 episodes. However, this just may be Fox's way of second-testing TSCC. Since the writer's strike is over, they might be cautious about whether or not TSCC is still going to be successful, and therefore limit the second season as such.
Anyway, back on topic: Have there been any actual plot leaks? I'm very interested in seeing John and Cameron's evolution, and exactly what kind of character Katherine Weaver will be...hardcore opponent of evil, (yes, I know how cliche that sounds), or an innocent, ignorant CEO trying to futher her company and humanity? I vote for a slightly sympathetic dynamic between her and Sarah.
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Post by k8ie on Jun 16, 2008 18:05:57 GMT -5
Well, from the behind the scenes photos, we know Cambot survived the carbomb with "superficial" injuries (for a terminator). Going by the different wounds on Sarah in the photos of Lena Headey and Thomas Dekker running and the photos taken at the location in LA river basin... canyon... concrete thingie, it appears that John, Sarah and Cam go E&E after the carbomb, possibly jacking one or more cars and end up in a crash somewhere in the LA river system. Meanwhile, going by the photo (I believe there's still a version available on the Sarah Connor Society), someone sells The Turk (as opposed to theTurk ) to Shirley Manson.
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Post by vicheron on Jun 16, 2008 22:46:51 GMT -5
I don't know why anyone would think that Cameron could be destroyed. We've seen Terminators get hit by much worse than a car bomb. I wouldn't be surprised if Cameron knew that the car was rigged to explode. She saw Sarkissian walk away. Cameron is a Terminator, it's highly unlikely that she didn't recognize him.
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Post by k8ie on Jun 17, 2008 12:08:44 GMT -5
I don't know why anyone would think that Cameron could be destroyed. It's the Internet. Ground zero for people believing silly things. I doubt Cam suspected the jeep was rigged to explode since she turned the key - triggering a car bomb strikes me as an inefficient method of determining if there is a car bomb but she definitely recognized Sarkissian from the cafe. However, she had left Camp Connor before John decripted the file with Sarkissian's passport information. As far as we know Cameron knew, he was just the cashier at Sarkissian's Internet cafe.
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Post by allergygal on Jun 17, 2008 12:22:56 GMT -5
I'm starting to think Cameron wasn't in that Jeep when it exploded. She's wearing the same clothes in those recent season 2 on-set photos as she was in the end of What He Beheld. Now, a terminator could survive a blast, but wouldn't her clothes still get singed at least? Maybe she didn't turn that key, but got out and went after the cafe guy (who she didn't know was Sarakissian) and the damage to her face is actually from the Jeep accident in season 2.
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Post by Erika on Jun 17, 2008 14:03:03 GMT -5
I may be extremely late in this statement, but I am stoked to see Shirley Manson on the show. First seeing the news story made me break out the old Garbage albums. Is the photo of her as Catherine Weaver still available anywhere?. You can check it out HERE.
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