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Post by Derek Reese on Sept 29, 2008 23:48:45 GMT -5
Discuss the possible future relationship of John/Allison (the inspiration for Cameron).
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Post by cameronconnor08 on Sept 30, 2008 0:06:29 GMT -5
Now this is a very interesting ship. We don't know anything about them or what they were to one another other than the fact that Alison pretty much died trying to protect John. And that John "Chose" her.
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Post by Deep Art Frummy on Sept 30, 2008 12:16:59 GMT -5
I'm seriously hoping they were a couple in the future. I don't even care about the age factor, it would explain so many subtle things.
How Cameron knows the Wizard of Oz story.
Diamonds are a girl's best friend.
Cameron saying "I love you" to John.
Present day John's attraction towards Cameron.
The list just goes on and on and on.
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Post by sandrinha on Sept 30, 2008 18:12:12 GMT -5
It's a nice twist, and it will be interesting to see if we have more clues about this in the future.
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Post by traitorsgate on Sept 30, 2008 18:39:17 GMT -5
I'm seriously hoping they were a couple in the future. I don't even care about the age factor, it would explain so many subtle things. How Cameron knows the Wizard of Oz story. Diamonds are a girl's best friend. Cameron saying "I love you" to John. Present day John's attraction towards Cameron. The list just goes on and on and on. All a bit to obvious and melodramatic, the last thing this show needs right now is clichéd romantic sub-plots. The adopted daughter premise would be a far more mature and potentially complex route to take. |
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Post by timstuff on Oct 1, 2008 3:15:18 GMT -5
I don't think Allison and John will be lovers. If anything, I think that John and Cameron will be lovers, and that when John meets Allison she will become a daughter of sorts to him.
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Post by Derek Reese on Oct 1, 2008 4:12:12 GMT -5
Just a general warning: Keep it civil in here and respectful between one another.
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Post by Deep Art Frummy on Oct 1, 2008 11:43:07 GMT -5
I'm seriously hoping they were a couple in the future. I don't even care about the age factor, it would explain so many subtle things. How Cameron knows the Wizard of Oz story. Diamonds are a girl's best friend. Cameron saying "I love you" to John. Present day John's attraction towards Cameron. The list just goes on and on and on. All a bit to obvious and melodramatic, the last thing this show needs right now is clichéd romantic sub-plots. The adopted daughter premise would be a far more mature and potentially complex route to take. I don't find it melodramatic or cliche', as a matter of fact, I think quite the opposite. It would answer a lot of questions. |
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Post by richardstevenhack on Oct 2, 2008 1:53:39 GMT -5
Just to toss this aside, the "diamonds are a girl's best friend" thing was probably just something John said to Cameron off camera when he gave her the diamond.
The "Wizard of Oz" story knowledge might or might have come out in Cameron's interrogation of Allison. Frankly, I consider it doubtful. Unless Cameron was extremely thorough about extracting every possible bit of emotional information about Allison's contact with John, I really doubt Cameron would have learned that much about the "Wizard of Oz."
To me, it would be much more interesting if Cameron had been provided that information directly by John in the future, as it would indicate that John - who, again, is described by the officer as "doesn't have any friends and doesn't talk to anyone" - did in fact have Cameron as a companion - possibly to replace Allison who might have been his earlier companion.
Cameron saying "I love you" might have been "channeling" Allison, but so far we've seen no evidence that Allison in fact had that relationship with John, other than Cameron's use of the phrase "chose you". Given Josh's fiendish mind, that sounds like a pretty careful choice of words.
Even if we assume that John did have that relationship with Allison, Cameron also clearly intends to have such a relationship with John and has put forth some effort to do so. She also knows that John was responding to some degree. Again, we don't know what would have happened if Sarah hadn't come in to the bedroom smelling nail polish in "Vic's Chip"!
So Cameron's "I Love You" could merely have been a desperate attempt to use that fact of the developing relationship - and as Josh has said, she went too far and oversold it. If you look at John's face after she said that, that was when he became angry and ripped the chip out of her head. He KNEW she was manipulating him at that point. Before then, when she was merely saying "I don't want to go" - which I believe was her real response - and all that "I'm good now" stuff, John was almost prepared to believe her, which is why Sarah kept yelling at him to pull the chip. But that "I Love You" bit sealed Cameron's fate - until John had a change of heart later. Right after he pulled the chip and Cameron collapsed, he was very upset with having to do it. But before he pulled the chip, he was angry at her for having become damaged, at her for trying to manipulate his emotions, and at the whole situation.
So I suspect we'll discover that Allison is important to the show primarily because she ended up being a model for Cameron. If that means Allison was John's girl friend, wife, or just a friend in the future, that will be interesting. But since we'll never see John in the future, except through the eyes of others, we'll never know for sure, I think.
And I don't think we'll see Allison being an adopted daughter, either. It doesn't quite fit the line Cameron used about Allison being "chosen". That would seem to be a word more related to a more personal relationship or to a more important role in the Resistance.
And I don't see John Connor having time for children, adopted or otherwise. Maybe Allison was some sort of friend he and Kyle pulled out of the concentration camp, or something. That might fit. Beyond that, I don't think Connor had any time for a daughter.
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Post by DerekThomasReese on Nov 30, 2008 7:48:34 GMT -5
Maybe what Cameron meant about Allison being chosen was that she was chosen for a specific mission by John or that she was chosen by skynet as the model for Cameron.I prefer the idea that John adopted her and looked after her.
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Post by vicheron on Nov 30, 2008 23:32:49 GMT -5
John's relationship with Allison could be similar to his relationship with Kyle. John obviously had time to train Kyle for his final mission. John may have known about Allison's ultimate fate and raised her for that purpose.
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Post by rove3 on Dec 1, 2008 15:07:31 GMT -5
Which was what? To become the model for Cameron? That seems particularly harsh IMO. I think that Alison was either someone who was important in the resistance (though unless we ever find out what that entails that angle will fall flat) or, and I think the more likely scenario, she was someone was important to John on a personal level. And I don't mean as an adopted daughter because, as someone already mentioned, I don't see mankind's saviour as having any time for that sort of thing. Being a parent is whole different ball of wax from merely having a relationship with someone (romantic or otherwise).
So if John had feelings for future Alison and she died, I can see John (who has undoubtably lost many people he has cared about over the years) capturing Cameron, the physical incarnation of Alison, reprogramming her, and keeping her around for company (morbid as it is) and as a reminder. Kind of like those people who get a beloved pet stuffed and mounted after they die. It's a crude example I know but it's all I could think of.
What confuses me is the time travel stuff, not surprisingly. Cameron was sent back from a future where John knew the real Alison in one way or another. Cameron and the Connors time jumped 8 years and now we know from Jessie that the future that Cam and Derek knew is now not as they remembered it. It's changed, possibly (if we believe Jessie's story which I'm not sure I do). So does this mean that John will still meet future Alison? Wouldn't he freak at meeting the human version of the terminator he's spent the last years with?
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Post by vicheron on Dec 1, 2008 22:43:15 GMT -5
John knew that Kyle Reese was going to die and John did nothing to change his fate. The fact that future John is using reprogrammed Terminator that turn at random, leading to the deaths of many Resistance soldiers shows that he's willing to sacrifice lives for the greater good. Who's to say that Allison didn't succeed in her mission before she died? Kyle certainly succeeded in his mission before he was killed.
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Post by rove3 on Dec 1, 2008 23:57:01 GMT -5
Alison absolutely could've completed her mission prior to being killed. I hope she did. I'm just confused as to what you think her mission was. If it was to be the human template for Cameron, while I suppose John could be heartless enough to do that, I don't see anyone volunteering for that mission. But that may not be what you're saying.  |
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Post by vicheron on Dec 2, 2008 0:18:46 GMT -5
Kyle didn't really know what he was volunteering for either. He didn't know that John manipulated him into falling in love with Sarah so that he would volunteer to be sent back. Perhaps Allison volunteered for a mission without knowing its true purpose just like Kyle. Perhaps she was supposed to infiltrate the ship. Perhaps she was supposed to give false information to the machines so that they can be captured by the Resistance. Maybe she actually knew it was a suicide mission and she volunteered anyway.
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