Post by vicheron on Dec 9, 2008 5:06:10 GMT -5
Dec 6, 2008 4:06:10 GMT -5 @richardstevenhack said:
Yeah, I know Sarah was hooked on her "three dots" nonsense. And in the finale she ends up at a UFO convention based on "three dots"!But again, if the Connors think they can shut down every potential AI project on the planet, they're really wasting their time and biting off more than they can ever chew. It's utterly Luddite of them.
Their methodology should be to track down those projects which are directly military related OR are directly connected to people they know are connected to Skynet via Cyberdyne or the notations on the blood wall or whatever. Tracking Andy Goode was a correct approach, for example. Not following the Japanese was not a reasonable approach, even though that AI project WAS getting a military contract.
Even there, the odds of their succeeding are minimal - because it could even be the case that Skynet is created from some project totally unconnected to the military - which could simply embed itself in the military network from outside once it becomes self-aware. This is probably the motivation for them to investigate every AI project, but it's a hopeless task.
The best they can hope to do is track down those companies directly connected to Skynet plots - such as following Ellison around until he ends up at Zeira, which would be a huge tipoff.
It is unreasonable to follow every lead. That's why they're only following the leads they got from people who came back from the future. They won't follow up on the Japanese company because no one from the future said anything about them. The military has contracts with tons of computer companies. The Connors are only going to worry about companies people from the future says are important. That's why they're not taking on the big companies like Intel and IBM.
In fact, they've never even bothered to try to find that guy Walsh who actually HAD "The Turk" and sold it to Weaver. Once they killed Sarkissian, they completely FORGOT about the guy that Sarkissian sold "The Turk" TO!
They didn't know Walsh's name, but the guy evidently had some connections in LA, and presumably traded in high-tech industrial espionage or some sort of similar trade. If they spent time using Derek's fence connections and the like, they might have found out that this guy had the ability to acquire and sell "The Turk". Then they could have tracked him down, kicked his butt until he told them where he sold it.
They didn't know Walsh's name, but the guy evidently had some connections in LA, and presumably traded in high-tech industrial espionage or some sort of similar trade. If they spent time using Derek's fence connections and the like, they might have found out that this guy had the ability to acquire and sell "The Turk". Then they could have tracked him down, kicked his butt until he told them where he sold it.
They have no more leads on the Turk. Sarkissian is dead and his hard drive is destroyed.
The writers gave us very little on Walsh. We don't even know how he got the Turk. For all we know, he stole it from the guy Sarkissian sold it to. For all we know, he stole it from Sarkissian.
And then they'd be back in business at the bottom line of stopping Skynet - the real Skynet - from ever existing (assuming "The Turk" actually IS the "real" Skynet").
Instead, they've utterly ignored all that and concentrated on Skynet side plots while Skynet has been growing utterly unimpeded.
It's pathetic. As the Transhumans in my fan-fic would tell them if I ever get around to writing it. In fact, my characters would meet the Connors precisely BECAUSE they were following up on Walsh. Except they wouldn't find him and things would develop otherwise. My characters would get on Ellison and be led to Weaver in a heartbeat.
By the way, we're all assuming that just because Weaver is involved that "The Turk" is destined to become Skynet. But maybe it isn't!
Consider Dr. Ferguson. Skynet sent a Terminator to his office. Why? Was it because he was important to the creation of Skynet and Skynet wanted him protected by a Terminator receptionist? If so, why did "The Turk" almost immediately kill him? Because killing Ferguson was how "The Turk" learns about killing humans? Or maybe Ferguson managed to "damage" "The Turk" - through his mentoring of it - before it killed him so that "The Turk" can never become Skynet or maybe could become a tool against Skynet. In which, the Terminator sent to Ferguson's office might have been there to assassinate him.
Maybe Ellison's role in all this is to either cause "The Turk" to become Skynet or to prevent "The Turk" from becoming Skynet.
Maybe the Connors will have nothing to do with it either way.
We just don't know.
What we do know is that the Connors are messing up by not concentrating on finding "The Turk" and stopping Skynet from existing.
OR we can assume that the Connors running around with all these side plots are in fact destined to come to the conclusion that stopping Skynet isn't feasible at all and maybe they'll turn to concentrating on creating the Resistance to deal with the inevitable Judgment Day.
If you're stuck with a lemon, make lemonade! ;D
Instead, they've utterly ignored all that and concentrated on Skynet side plots while Skynet has been growing utterly unimpeded.
It's pathetic. As the Transhumans in my fan-fic would tell them if I ever get around to writing it. In fact, my characters would meet the Connors precisely BECAUSE they were following up on Walsh. Except they wouldn't find him and things would develop otherwise. My characters would get on Ellison and be led to Weaver in a heartbeat.
By the way, we're all assuming that just because Weaver is involved that "The Turk" is destined to become Skynet. But maybe it isn't!
Consider Dr. Ferguson. Skynet sent a Terminator to his office. Why? Was it because he was important to the creation of Skynet and Skynet wanted him protected by a Terminator receptionist? If so, why did "The Turk" almost immediately kill him? Because killing Ferguson was how "The Turk" learns about killing humans? Or maybe Ferguson managed to "damage" "The Turk" - through his mentoring of it - before it killed him so that "The Turk" can never become Skynet or maybe could become a tool against Skynet. In which, the Terminator sent to Ferguson's office might have been there to assassinate him.
Maybe Ellison's role in all this is to either cause "The Turk" to become Skynet or to prevent "The Turk" from becoming Skynet.
Maybe the Connors will have nothing to do with it either way.
We just don't know.
What we do know is that the Connors are messing up by not concentrating on finding "The Turk" and stopping Skynet from existing.
OR we can assume that the Connors running around with all these side plots are in fact destined to come to the conclusion that stopping Skynet isn't feasible at all and maybe they'll turn to concentrating on creating the Resistance to deal with the inevitable Judgment Day.
If you're stuck with a lemon, make lemonade! ;D
The Connors are following instructions from the future. They don't know if the information is good or bad but it's all they got. The dead Resistance fighter didn't exactly write, "well, you can deal with all this stuff after you find the Turk." The Connors assumed that it was all high priority stuff. Maybe the Connors are being side tracked by the blood wall but they don't know that.