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Post by allergygal on Dec 20, 2008 13:42:48 GMT -5
I don't think Kyle'll be a vision though, I reckon he's real, there and sent back for a reason. If he is really there, he'd have to be from an alternate timeline, in which case, he wouldn't know Sarah. The fact that he says "come with me if you want to live," instead of "OMG Sarah?!" leads me to believe he doesn't know her. If she was dreaming/hallucinating him, Kyle would be created from memory and he'd know her. OTOH, he does give her the same line he gave her when they first met and he seems to be wearing basically what she'd remember him wearing (grey shirt, green jacket). So I guess I've just talked myself into a circle and it could be either. I really do think it's a dream/hallucination though. The preview is probably scenes from 2-3 episodes and the only scenes we see Kyle in are the hospital. If he'd come back from an alternate future and is really there, I'd expect him to be in that scene where Sarah, Derek, John and Cameron look like they're watching something take off. I don't think there's a chance Derek would let Kyle out of his sight the second he saw him (and Sarah would have no reason to hide Kyle from John or Derek would she?).
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Post by littleb on Dec 20, 2008 17:01:03 GMT -5
If he is really there, he'd have to be from an alternate timeline, in which case, he wouldn't know Sarah. The fact that he says "come with me if you want to live," instead of "OMG Sarah?!" leads me to believe he doesn't know her. If she was dreaming/hallucinating him, Kyle would be created from memory and he'd know her. OTOH, he does give her the same line he gave her when they first met and he seems to be wearing basically what she'd remember him wearing (grey shirt, green jacket). So I guess I've just talked myself into a circle and it could be either. <ROTFL> So he's real then?! Oh, wait <rereads> or still a dream... Bugger. My head hurts. I'm gonna go for alternate timeline and doesn't know Sarah. Well, no more than T1 Kyle does - chance to meet the legend and all that. Which would be very interesting seeing as he's already met the legend, got her knocked up with the Messiah, died to save them both and doesn't even know it. The sides from the ep have disappeared from Spoiler TV (conspiracy!), they were a lot of fun for guessing the characters and the false names. IIRC, there was someone with a gunshot wound (in the arm) who'd turned up at a hospital in a car full of blood. Didn't look good for the person (referred to as a male I think) and the bullet was still in situ. The police were involved and trying to trace where the person had been and why his gun had been fired. At some point the person got out of the room and was helped into an MRI to try and find the bullet. The hospital file with all the person's history was also destroyed. It might be a leap to make the person Sarah, the wound in the leg not the arm and the person helping, Kyle. It might explain why he's in a scene with a doctor/medical lady in the preview and the burning file. I would think, given her squeamishness towards offing cops arbitrarily, that the cop Sarah's throttling in the preview might not be a genuine cop, perhaps someone tidying up loose ends from the warehouse? But it was a 30 second preview, sides I can barely remember and I am probably just swinging in the wind here No, I don't think she would. I would hope not, that'd pretty much destroy the relationship she's salvaged with John. They probably have a fair few eps filmed to take clips from, I think the last casting call posted yesterday was for 2x19, shooting Jan 20th-ish. I don't think Kyle will stick around, they have Derek already and he's a popular character. I'd guess his mission would be Save Sarah Redux and probably die tragically again. Jeez, I've brought him back, sorted out his mission and killed him off again in one easy post. Poor guy!
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Post by richardstevenhack on Dec 20, 2008 23:29:19 GMT -5
LittleB, your recap of the sides sounds pretty damn good to me - tracks the promo shots almost perfectly. If the writers have been trying to fool the spoilers with their fake scripts, so far it's not working at all - every one of those scripts have ended up being pretty accurate except for the names and guessing the names hasn't been that hard.
Still can't figure out how Sarah gets from the warehouse to the hospital - assuming that IS the transition involved, of course.
I think Kyle is:
1) Connected with the drones somehow - possibly the drones are HIS, not Skynet's, maybe a "mobile time machine" and he's on his way to his T-1 destiny but made a stop-over to save Sarah AGAIN. 2) Because this Kyle has never met Sarah since he uses the same line as T-1 - which he wouldn't bother to do if he had since both of them would KNOW he means to save her. 3) Won't be around for long, UNLESS... 4) He may be here to replace Derek on the show, if Derek ends up dead for some reason as a surprise by end of this season, if as others have suggested Josh wanted Kyle to come back instead of Derek in the first place.
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Post by laughtrey on Dec 28, 2008 1:03:25 GMT -5
I think they wouldn't mess with the source material like that. Kyle is some sort of hallucination.
My bet is that Jesse was the biker, and her logic for going after Sarah wouldn't be that far fetched. If she thinks John needs to be away from Cameron then maybe having him with Sarah when she was supposed to be dead is also not good for her.
Seriously though, no one seems to have faith in future Johns judgment, why are they so not trusting of Cameron? Even before she went nuts? The man saved the entire goddamn human race, why is he being questioned? All these people should be shot for treason.
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Post by Derek Reese on Dec 28, 2008 1:13:38 GMT -5
I don't think Kyle'll be a vision though, I reckon he's real, there and sent back for a reason. If he is really there, he'd have to be from an alternate timeline, in which case, he wouldn't know Sarah. The fact that he says "come with me if you want to live," instead of "OMG Sarah?!" leads me to believe he doesn't know her. If she was dreaming/hallucinating him, Kyle would be created from memory and he'd know her. OTOH, he does give her the same line he gave her when they first met and he seems to be wearing basically what she'd remember him wearing (grey shirt, green jacket). So I guess I've just talked myself into a circle and it could be either. I really do think it's a dream/hallucination though. The preview is probably scenes from 2-3 episodes and the only scenes we see Kyle in are the hospital. If he'd come back from an alternate future and is really there, I'd expect him to be in that scene where Sarah, Derek, John and Cameron look like they're watching something take off. I don't think there's a chance Derek would let Kyle out of his sight the second he saw him (and Sarah would have no reason to hide Kyle from John or Derek would she?). With you on that theory, Tonya. I'm kind of rooting on the possibility of it just being a flashback on Sarah's behalf, trying to kick herself back into gear on matters at hand.
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Post by Erika on Dec 28, 2008 16:24:44 GMT -5
4) He may be here to replace Derek on the show, if Derek ends up dead for some reason as a surprise by end of this season, if as others have suggested Josh wanted Kyle to come back instead of Derek in the first place. Yeah I highly doubt that they're going to kill of Derek when he's one of the most popular characters on the show. BAG has proven himself every week that he deserves to be on the show...period. My gut is telling me that Kyle is a manifestation of Sarah's subconscious as she's fighting for her life. We'll all see that it's Kyle as she slips in and out of consciousness...in the end when she's fully aware, the person who she's been talking to all along...is Charley.
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Post by Derek Reese on Dec 28, 2008 16:28:12 GMT -5
4) He may be here to replace Derek on the show, if Derek ends up dead for some reason as a surprise by end of this season, if as others have suggested Josh wanted Kyle to come back instead of Derek in the first place. Yeah I highly doubt that they're going to kill of Derek when he's one of the most popular characters on the show. BAG has proven himself every week that he deserves to be on the show...period. My gut is telling me that Kyle is a manifestation of Sarah's subconscious as she's fighting for her life. We'll all see that it's Kyle as she slips in and out of consciousness...in the end when she's fully aware, the person who she's been talking to all along...is Charley. That would be a great way to bring Charley back into the fold. Would be entirely great to see him wanting to help the others out and deal with matters at hand. Plus there's the benefit of an on hand medical technican.....and Sarah could reconsider love again.
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Post by k8ie on Dec 28, 2008 19:42:31 GMT -5
God, I would love to see Charley.
*sigh*
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Post by richardstevenhack on Dec 29, 2008 1:19:20 GMT -5
Nah, can't buy that line. Charley will be back but not in the Kyle episodes.
I've changed my mind about Kyle and the drones. I don't think they're connected to him directly.
I think Kyle is back solely to do the deleted scene from T-2 - and snap Sarah out of her obsessions and get her back on track. It's just another salute to the movies.
In that respect, he may be physically real or a hallucination, it won't matter. What will matter is his effect on Sarah. And again I don't think he'll be around for more than one episode.
I don't think Jesse was the biker. Too close a connection from that attack to the one on the hypnotist and Eileen. Jesse would have no reason to off them. I think the guy at the warehouse was the assassin. Although why he would use a bike in one hit, and a van in another - the escape sounds Sarah heard were a vehicle, not a bike - makes no sense. So maybe there are TWO characters involved - the hit man and the guy at the warehouse was just a guard or a front man.
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Post by thecolours on Dec 29, 2008 12:38:20 GMT -5
I don't see how they could bring Charley back. It's already crowded as is, we don't need another cast member taking away screen time from the 4 main cast members. Plus, I don't see what Charley brings to the table storyline wise. The only thing he could have been brought back for is a revenge mission against Cromatie, but that storyline is over.
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Post by k8ie on Dec 29, 2008 13:30:08 GMT -5
Sarah is on track. As far as I can see, she's the only one who is.
I think Kyle is a manifestation of Sarah's own sorrow. She keeps fighting because, at this point, it's all she knows how to do but she seems profoundly sad to me and the memory of Kyle Reese is also a reminder of the last carefree moment of Sarah Connor's life.
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Post by allergygal on Dec 29, 2008 14:23:25 GMT -5
My gut is telling me that Kyle is a manifestation of Sarah's subconscious as she's fighting for her life. We'll all see that it's Kyle as she slips in and out of consciousness...in the end when she's fully aware, the person who she's been talking to all along...is Charley. I like your gut. *karma* That would be perfect. Charley has to show up again at some point and a hospital is as likely a place as any to run into him. And the blending of Kyle and Charley makes a lot of sense since those are the only 2 people Sarah's ever loved. I like this idea. I like it a lot.
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Post by richardstevenhack on Dec 30, 2008 8:14:03 GMT -5
They can easily bring Charley back and have him join the team. Then you don't have to worry about him crowding out the others because he'll always be with them, either John or Sarah.
Derek and Cameron won't like it, but he knows everything, he has no wife any more and he's a medic. They can definitely use him, so they don't have to take people like Rlley and Sarah and Derek and John to the hospital every time they get messed up.
It's a no brainer to bring Charley back. He gets to hook up with Sarah again, Sarah gets laid so she stops being a nutcase, Charley acts as a father figure to John, and a foil for Derek and Cameron.
Of course, his attitude has to change a bit. He can't be as clueless as he was before, but that would be a logical characterization change since his wife died. And he wasn't all that clueless - he handled the whole Derek wounded bit like a champ. He's an EMT - used to emergencies. He thinks fast on his feet. He didn't handle his wife's kidnapping all that well, but that's the change they can make in him - make him more hardened, but still basically a normal guy. He doesn't have to be a tough guy, just more determined to deal with the hand he's been dealt.
I can't think of a better new team member for the Connors than Charley.
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Post by schmacky on Dec 30, 2008 17:54:24 GMT -5
Is it possible that the person who it was all along is... John? Maybe it's just coincidence that John has a similiar looking jacket to the one Kyle is wearing but.. hmmmm.
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Post by allergygal on Dec 30, 2008 18:03:11 GMT -5
Is it possible that the person who it was all along is... John? Maybe it's just coincidence that John has a similiar looking jacket to the one Kyle is wearing but.. hmmmm. Considering John doesn't know where Sarah is and he's got his hands full with Riley's bloody wrists, I really doubt it's him.
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