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Post by aceplace57 on Mar 28, 2009 6:45:01 GMT -5
The Kaliba Group (Kaleba?) certainly had a complex plan. They simultaneously launched three attacks against the Connors. They seemed to get a lot of intel from the boob tracker. I understand it started with Sarah. Following her exposed John, Cameron and Derek. But, how did they know that Cameron was a terminator? They set a very elaborate trap to get her. The whole point of them kidnapping Derek was to draw Cameron into that warehouse. A few thoughts on the killing of Charlie and the dog. I consider killing Charlie and the dog gratuitous. TSCC has made it abundantly clear that anyone associated with John is in mortal danger. Skynet is the big nasty and they kill people. We get it. They didn't have to sledgehammer the point by killing a character that had already lost everything. Let the poor guy tend his tomato plants, make soup, and play with his dog in peace. I guess we should be glad Kacy and her newborn baby weren't murdered for John Connor too. They're one of the lucky ones that met the Connors and lived to tell about it. I wish they would have shown one moment where it seemed like John gave a crap about Riley's death. Something as simple as John packing away the robot toy that she gave him. He could have paused, looked at it and placed it in his personal bag. Thomas Dekker would have done a great job with that scene without any need for dialogue. Yes, John Connor would remember his first love.
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Post by littleb on Mar 28, 2009 7:25:17 GMT -5
^^ If it helps any. Maybe the pooch wasn't murdered by the gunmen. Maybe he was killed by Sarah's crappy pancakes
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Post by vicheron on Mar 28, 2009 7:47:36 GMT -5
I wonder if the program Fischer uploaded to the government computers had anything to do with what happened to John Henry.
I'm guessing right now Skynet is a lot like the one in T3 where it's running on computers all over the world but it doesn't want to stay that way. The Turk is the only computer powerful enough to hold Skynet and that's why it hacked John Henry. I think that Skynet wants a core so that when it initiates Judgment Day, it won't be vulnerable to the EMP that will destroy the global communications network.
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Post by t101 on Mar 28, 2009 7:51:43 GMT -5
But, how did they know that Cameron was a terminator? They didn't. They grabbed Derek and tried to do a drive by on Cameron which ended up with them fleeing. It's after that they figure it out with the help of Skynet I'm assuming.
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Post by VALIANT CHAMPION on Mar 28, 2009 8:15:53 GMT -5
What about this theory?
Andrew Goode made two Turks.
What if the first one was stolen before Sarah burned Andrew's house down??
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Post by terrasj on Mar 28, 2009 9:13:53 GMT -5
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Post by driftlight23 on Mar 28, 2009 9:39:05 GMT -5
I *really* enjoyed that episode, but can someone explain to my extremely frazzled brain exactly how Cameron can both have knowledge of Derek's original timeline torture (giving up the location of the HQ in S1) AND have spoken to Jesse about the miscarriage in the alternate timeline created by the killing of Andy Goode?
I thought that Cameron came from the original Derek&Chopin torture timeline, not the Alternate Derek&Fisher torture timeline which was subsequently created. How is she in two timelines? Or does she come from another timeline altogether where this is all encompassed?
How many timelines are we dealing with here? Or is everything rewriting itself as it goes?
*brain explodes*
Have I missed something very obvious?
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Post by t101 on Mar 28, 2009 9:53:34 GMT -5
I *really* enjoyed that episode, but can someone explain to my extremely frazzled brain exactly how Cameron can both have knowledge of Derek's original timeline torture (giving up the location of the HQ in S1) AND have spoken to Jesse about the miscarriage in the alternate timeline created by the killing of Andy Goode? Because Derek in the basement happens in both versions? You are assuming Fisher and whatever happened in the basement are the same event.
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Post by k8ie on Mar 28, 2009 9:53:56 GMT -5
My feelings for Sarah Connor are not good right now. I may even loathe the character. Her stupid, idiotic, and pathetic jealously and paranoia got one heck of a good man killed. Anyone who thinks jealousy is driving Sarah simply isn't paying attention. Cameron's words in TITD part one, about how John in the future is alone and isolated? That's what Sarah's trying to prevent. It's not about whether John likes his robot friend more than mommy, Sarah's not that small-minded. It's about whether a 16-year-old boy who's already got the weight of the world on his shoulders should be left alone without anyone who cares about *him* - not the future leader of the resistance but *John*. Charley does, Derek and Cameron don't. And that's why when Sarah thought she was dying, she takes John to Charley. Also, as the episode demonstrates, Kaliba or whoever was ready for Derek and Cameron. Having them there wouldn't have saved Charley. That, I thought, was kind of the point of how easily they take Derek down.
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Post by t101 on Mar 28, 2009 10:00:38 GMT -5
Also, as the episode demonstrates, Kaliba or whoever was ready for Derek and Cameron. Having them there wouldn't have saved Charley. That, I thought, was kind of the point of how easily they take Derek down. I disagree. They did not know about Cameron. Their first attempt was to drive straight at her and shoot her with a gun. It's after they saw she doesn't go down to bullets that they figure out what to do with the help of the AI on the phone.
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Post by littleb on Mar 28, 2009 10:13:21 GMT -5
My feelings for Sarah Connor are not good right now. I may even loathe the character. Her stupid, idiotic, and pathetic jealously and paranoia got one heck of a good man killed. Anyone who thinks jealousy is driving Sarah simply isn't paying attention. Thank the gods! I thought I'd watched a different episode... "People matter. They're all that matters. Don't ever forget that." Sarah knows John had a close relationship with Charley - possibly the best father figure he ever had. She probably knows there's stuff he'll offload to Charley that he might not tell her, and what d'ya know, John went and did just that during their discussion on the boat about Riley. John's face always lights up around Charley, he laughs and smiles more, he becomes more human. She wanted someone to be there for her son, she didn't take him to Charley to make sure Charley ended up dead. Amen. I loved Sarah in this episode. Yeah, I know, I usually love Sarah, but she was just awesome in this one. Guess he should've fixed the tyre and sent the practically indestructible killing machine to check out the van! I think - with the amount of defenses set up around the lighthouse and the fact Sarah had no idea what she was carrying hidden away in her breast, we can absolve her of the death of Charley. Not to say she won't blame herself, but it wasn't her fault.
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Post by driftlight23 on Mar 28, 2009 10:14:08 GMT -5
I *really* enjoyed that episode, but can someone explain to my extremely frazzled brain exactly how Cameron can both have knowledge of Derek's original timeline torture (giving up the location of the HQ in S1) AND have spoken to Jesse about the miscarriage in the alternate timeline created by the killing of Andy Goode? Because Derek in the basement happens in both versions? You are assuming Fisher and whatever happened in the basement are the same event. I thought Derek had made it clear that he had absolutely no knowledge of the Fisher event happening to him as Jesse described it to him - thus implying a separate timeline, and a 'different' Derek with his own torture event? And the last ep implied we were dealing with a different Jesse to the one Original!Derek knew, not the woman he loved originally. I may have misunderstood that point, but that's how it seemed to me at the time. Two Dereks might also imply that S3 could feature an Alternate Derek if Original Derek does indeed die. ETA: I see I'm not the only one to trip over this - terminatorwiki.fox.com/thread/2621201/Cameron%27s+future%3F
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Post by rossbondreturns on Mar 28, 2009 12:27:14 GMT -5
Sarah sentenced Charley to death the moment she broke her OWN DAMN RULES mentioned in the Pilot by falling in love with him for Two years and therefore becoming someone very special in his eyes.
Last night was just a heartbreaking (I hope and pray) wake up call for Sarah.
You were and always have been meant to be ALONE.
People forget that Kyle was sent back to be a PROTECTOR for Sarah not a bed mate or lover. Once they got involved he ended up dead too.
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Post by potomac79 on Mar 28, 2009 13:18:54 GMT -5
Regarding Andy Goode: I thought it was established that Andy worked as an assistant to Miles. Dyson was the director of the project, focusing his efforts on the overall design. The ASCII text that JH accessed seemed to be from the outside A.I.'s code. However, some of the foundation code comes from both the outsider and JH. While Andy might have built the JH Turk from "scratch", that doesn't mean that some of the coding "tunes" don't get installed verbatim. I don't see at all incongruous that some identifiable code snippets could be found. (As a former programmer, I can say with confidence that programmers have certain idiosyncratic consistencies in their code.)
LOL - Dog + Sarah's pancakes. Too funny.
Something that I'm interpreting about the transmitter implant is that it was not put into play until the A.I. found JH. John Henry said that the wormnet had been set up to find him. At that time, all of a sudden the SUV radio reception goes nuts due to the transmitter now transmitting. Had it had that effect earlier, then someone would have noticed the constant electronic disruptions around Sarah. This doesn't mean that the Connor Cadre couldn't have been tracked the old-fashioned way (after all, they were ready for Sarah pre-implant). Clearly, if they are going to go to the trouble of tracking Sarah (prob. to find JC as quickly as possible) they are also going to want to cover contingencies with the rest of the group, specifically the cyborg who appears to be about as much of a target as John.
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Post by thecolours on Mar 28, 2009 14:42:45 GMT -5
What about this theory? Andrew Goode made two Turks. What if the first one was stolen before Sarah burned Andrew's house down?? In Derek's future, Andy Goode's first Turk ((version 1.0) the over sized one in the closet)), becomes Skynet. It wasn't until Derek jumped into the past, that Sarah got a hold of his files at the safe house, learned about Andy Goode, and later destroyed Turk 1.0. Andy Goode then created the second Turk (V. 2.0), only because Sarah destroyed the original. (If Derek never would have jumped into the past, Sarah wouldn't have gotten hold of his files, tracked down Andy, and destroyed the original Turk.) John Henry shares code with his brother because, Andy Goode both created Turk 1.0 (Skynet) and Turk 2.0 (John Henry). Andy borrowed some of the code from the original Turk(which he learned while interning at Cyberdyne), and used it in the newer version. If Derek never would have jumped into the past, and Sarah gotten a hold of his files, there would be no John Henry. Since, Skynet can jump back in time as well, it's trying to stop John Henry from replacing it in the future. Self preservation on it's part.
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