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Post by littleb on Apr 1, 2009 4:35:54 GMT -5
She murdered that poor dog with those pancakes y'know... I may have to steal that idea when it get to comicalling this episode <LOL> Go for it. That dog dying caused more of an outcry than poor Charley did! Maybe if we continue the everyone gets zapped theme of the ep, he just gnawed through a stray wire and knocked himself out temporarily (whatever helps people sleep at night!) They did. I just liked how light that house was. I prefer the look of Season 2 on the whole - thank the gods someone learned how to dress Sarah! -and the house was a part of that. Some people jump all over her for being overly possessive but at the end of the day, he's still only 16 and still her boy and there probably aren't many kids whose mothers had to tuck them into bed with a machine gun in the place of a teddy bear. ITA. It's all she does, it's all she knows, and she's got him this far. At the end of the day, she also loves him as her son, not just future saviour of the world. That scene in the car together, when did we last see her smile so much? It wasn't because she's finally freed him from the clutches of the Evil!Cameron, it was because she likes hanging out with him. I guess the road trip element of it takes her back to a time when they could just run together, and not have the big Stop Skynet mission hanging over them like a cloud of impending doom. Their life has never been normal, but it was their life. Now, not so much, there's too much else to be worrying about. Gave a nice symmetry to the scenes. I was half expecting John to wake up and tell her off for watching him while he slept and freaking him out though! She looked fine. A little wind-swept, but fine Course, if we get a third season, who the hell knows where we'll end up?! Hope the deleted scene mentioned on the Blog makes it onto the DVD release. I actually really liked how the cancer reveal played out in this episode - i.e. that gorgeous scene with Sarah and Charley - but the shower scene that they shot and cut sounded interesting. <vbg> There must've been one helluva whiteboard in the writer's office making this lot all connect, but it is connecting and it's pretty damn fabulous watching it all pull together. Always pays to have a little faith and patience.
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Post by aceplace57 on Apr 1, 2009 8:03:38 GMT -5
The writers blog kindly supplied information about the shooting locations. I loved the lighthouse. Very pretty and it looked great on camera. Here's the lighthouse website. www.palosverdes.com/pvlight/I'm going to miss the second season Connor house. It was their sanctuary and a place of normalcy and light. The Connors spend so much time in darkness and misery fighting skynet. They desperately need some place to decompress and feel human. Sarah made a good point in S1 that they have to keep their humanity. They need to cherish the special moments in life. Otherwise what is the point in fighting skynet? The fight is to preserve humanity.
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Post by ga5speed02 on Apr 1, 2009 17:56:19 GMT -5
This is the 2nd week in a row now where the camera cut away of the person dying (Jesse and Charley). . i might be the only one that thinks she is not dead. in typical TV style you never see him pull the trigger all the way. also she made it as for as those steps. if Derek was going to kill her he would have done so at about the half way point from him and the steps after recovering from the bag she tossed at him. another thing, in the trailer for ep 21 it says 3 people are 'gone' not dead. Jessie could be anywhere. who knows?
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Post by aztalanturf on Apr 1, 2009 18:51:06 GMT -5
I don't think Jesse is dead. When I watched the episode the first time, it never even occurred to me that she might be.
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Post by rossbondreturns on Apr 1, 2009 18:54:21 GMT -5
This is the 2nd week in a row now where the camera cut away of the person dying (Jesse and Charley). . i might be the only one that thinks she is not dead. in typical TV style you never see him pull the trigger all the way. also she made it as for as those steps. if Derek was going to kill her he would have done so at about the half way point from him and the steps after recovering from the bag she tossed at him. another thing, in the trailer for ep 21 it says 3 people are 'gone' not dead. Jessie could be anywhere. who knows? Let's not forget gone is one of many euphemisms for dead.
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Post by thecolours on Apr 1, 2009 22:38:48 GMT -5
Jesse's not dead. If Derek killed her, he would have been more emotional when Cameron told him about Jesse's miscarriage. It's why Derek thanked Cameron for telling him. He knew he made the right choice.
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Post by k8ie on Apr 1, 2009 22:40:50 GMT -5
Jesse's not dead. If Derek killed her, he would have been more emotional when Cameron told him about Jesse's miscarriage. It's why Derek thanked Cameron for telling him. He knew he made the right choice. Or not and Derek thanked Cameron because he was glad he now knew why Jesse went so strange (for the record, I still hate this storyline).
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Post by terrasj on Apr 2, 2009 12:47:17 GMT -5
Jesse's not dead. If Derek killed her, he would have been more emotional when Cameron told him about Jesse's miscarriage. It's why Derek thanked Cameron for telling him. He knew he made the right choice. Or not and Derek thanked Cameron because he was glad he now knew why Jesse went so strange (for the record, I still hate this storyline). Either way, its one more thing Derek knows Jesse had kept from him, one of many actually. I suspect the more truth Derek learns about Jesse, the less and less he likes or cares for her. So whether he killed her or let her go, it won't bug his conscience as much for "what ifs". Sure, it probably hit a real sore spot within Derek at first, double that coming from Cam herself. But then at least he went outside for some fresh air, and collect his thoughts about it. And hey, people can change, or have change of heart. Jesse was a good wakeup call for Derek. Derek probably knows his self worth to the Connors is probably sitting in the dog house right now, (rightfully so, the Jesse affair blew up in his face), and right about now I'm guessing Derek's looking at Cam more favorably than at Sarah. He's burnt some bridges, and he's got to start rebuilding a few or build a few new ones. Cam's as good as anywheres to start.
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Post by t101 on Apr 2, 2009 14:09:05 GMT -5
[quote author=terrasj board=nonspoil thread=1362 post=22962 Either way, its one more thing Derek knows Jesse had kept from him, one of many actually. I suspect the more truth Derek learns about Jesse, the less and less he likes or cares for her. So whether he killed her or let her go, it won't bug his conscience as much for "what ifs".[/quote]
I actually think it's the opposite. I thought he gained some sympathy for her after what Cameron told him.
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Post by thecolours on Apr 4, 2009 17:26:18 GMT -5
Cameron is the one who called the Cops on Sarah.
Think about it. Sarah ditched Cameron in the last episode, and that threatens Cameron's programming to protect John Connor. Cameron then tells John that Sarah was attempting to ditch him, and implied that she might still be dying of cancer. Cameron is putting doubt in John's head, and trying to separate him from Sarah. She's fearful that Sarah might ditch her, and take John away again. To prevent this from happening again, she "betrays" John, when it is revealed that she called the cops.
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Post by allergygal on Apr 5, 2009 3:41:29 GMT -5
I had to backtrack to this episode to watch the scene again where John Henry reveals the Cyberdyne logo. Originally I thought he was explaining that he found the logo within the code of the worm. But when I watched it again, I'm now understanding John Henry to say that he shares a common code base with the worm (and therefore also with the other AI) and in that bit of code that they have in common, he found the Cyberdyne logo. So I think he's saying he found it in his own code and the worms code. Is that right?
If I understood that correctly, it means Andy Goode must have used Miles Dyson's code, at least in part, for his Turk. I guess that was the code Andy was referring to when he told Sarah (in "The Turk") about some seriously modded-out code that I swear came to me in a dream.
Here's what I'm confused about: Andy seemed genuine in believing that he wrote Turk's code himself, yet clearly he couldn't have because it had Miles' name and the Cyberdyne logo. I could maybe believe that Andy looked over Mile's shoulder enough that some of the code he'd seen came to him while he was working on the Turk (ie. Andy inadvertently stole some of Miles' code). But if that were the case, the code would have been written from scratch and therefore not have Mile's name and the Cyberdyne logo. So either Andy flat out stole a chunk of code from Miles and altered it (but for some reason leaving in the logo and name?) or that code got in there another way.
Could someone have hacked The Turk before, when Andy was still working on it? Was the worm that invaded John Henry already in existence back then? Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but something doesn't add up. I still figure Danny Dyson to be at the other end of this thing (behind the worm and the other AI), but no I'm wondering if Danny might also be responsible for getting this bit of Miles' code into Andy's Turk originally.
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Post by vicheron on Apr 5, 2009 3:53:27 GMT -5
That's not the only problem this episode had. Miles Dyson worked on the neural net processor. If he wrote any program, then it would have been for the chip. That would have been highly protected stuff. There's no way that an intern like Andy could have gotten access to it.
There's also the fact that this isn't even the first Turk. This is the second one that he built in like two weeks after his house burned down. That means he would have had to put the Cyberdyne stuff into the new Turk from memory.
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Post by schmacky on Apr 5, 2009 3:54:31 GMT -5
From my understanding, JH isn't just The Turk. There's more to him than a chess computer. The code isn't necessarily just from the Turk so it could have come from some other piece of the puzzle that is known as JH.
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Post by allergygal on Apr 5, 2009 4:14:29 GMT -5
That's not the only problem this episode had. Miles Dyson worked on the neural net processor. If he wrote any program, then it would have been for the chip. That would have been highly protected stuff. There's no way that an intern like Andy could have gotten access to it. There's also the fact that this isn't even the first Turk. This is the second one that he built in like two weeks after his house burned down. That means he would have had to put the Cyberdyne stuff into the new Turk from memory. Thank you. I forgot about this being Turk 2. So even if Andy had originally stolen the code from Miles (which I don't think), it would have had to have been rewritten from scratch that second time and therefore would not have had the Cyberdyne logo. So that code got in there then from someone other than Andy. Either Turk got hacked or the Dyson code was added after Turk got stolen from Andy — Sarakissian or whoever else had their hands on could have inserted that code. Now I really wanna know! From my understanding, JH isn't just The Turk. There's more to him than a chess computer. The code isn't necessarily just from the Turk so it could have come from some other piece of the puzzle that is known as JH. I've been under the impression that John Henry is what was once The Turk — that Weaver's team only developed it, not modified it. So I think this Dyson code must've been added before Weaver got her hands on The Turk. Either that or someone at Zeira (maybe one of her Babylon team geeks) did it at some point.
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Post by schmacky on Apr 5, 2009 4:20:20 GMT -5
I don't understand though how JH can be The Turk without any modification. Yes, he started out as the Turk.. that's his core but it had to of been modified. There's no way Turk 2.0 could be Babylon and then JH without any modifications.
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