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Post by santana on Dec 9, 2008 15:14:49 GMT -5
Because everyone knows that curtain rods are the absolute Achille's heel for Terminators. LOL!!! That just made my day. ;D
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Post by littleb on Dec 9, 2008 15:57:20 GMT -5
I covered a lot of stuff in my blog, but thought I'd comment on a couple of things I didn't touch on... Confused by Derek later telling Jesse he was waiting for her at that moment. It was as if he knew she was going to be there, as if he had played out that scene before... <LOL> First time for everything! Usually, I do a lot of under-thinking I think you're right, he did look all googly-eyes at her. It just sounded odd and on a show that mucks about with timelines as much as this one, you can never be too sure. But then he'd have known all the Australia stuff and that seemed to be completely new to him so I'll go with the mushy lurve explanation! Some are very quick, some you don't even have a chance to put your catching mitt on before they're flying out all over the sofa (that's another true story but I was on the catching end...!) Prem babies are smaller so tend to deliver lot quicker. They can get away with that, but it was just badly edited. Oh it's a girl, and she's dead. Something just felt off about it. Wasn't mad keen on Ma Field's moaning and huffing either which didn't help. Yep, certainly won't hurt the budget. I really did like that tactic. We've seen them blow up, melt away, de-chip quite a few terminators this season, leave this one for us to think up and concentrate on the survivors. Pretty brave move. There's been a real split-cast feel to the last 3 episodes (maybe just a coincidence as shooting and airing order don't always add up), hopefully they'll all be pulling together next week for the finale. I know they have a lot of characters but the show works best when they're all involved a la Mr Ferguson... which we get this week in the UK ;D
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Post by allergygal on Dec 9, 2008 16:03:38 GMT -5
There's been a real split-cast feel to the last 3 episodes (maybe just a coincidence as shooting and airing order don't always add up), hopefully they'll all be pulling together next week for the finale. I know they have a lot of characters but the show works best when they're all involved a la Mr Ferguson... which we get this week in the UK ;D Replied to this in the Season 1 vs Season 2 thread. While the episode was edited and shot and acted in an interesting way, I have to say this was probably THE lamest episode of the entire season for the following reasons; 1) First it started out confusing. At first I thought I'd wandered in to the wrong part of the show. Interesting way to edit it, but as others have said the flashbacks and flash forwards were almost screwing my head up as bad as Sarah's. This was certainly not my favorite episode, but I didn't find it confusing at all. Derek finds a mother and daughter and identified himself as being sent by Sarah and then we flashback to 6 months ago when Sarah first met them. What I did find confusing is where in time we are now on the show. Unless we've made a leap at some point just recently, aren't we still in like Nov/Dec 2007? And if so, 6 months ago would fall before their time jump from Sept 1999 to Sept 2007. If we have lapsed forward, then what happened with the 3 dots/Turk hunt in the amount of time we skipped ahead? Fields was the name of the family. As for Alpine, I think we were on our own with that. I read elsewhere that Alpine is a large rural area in California, so I guess it was the Fields family of Alpine. Well, by that logic, they should have offed Sarah when she was a kid because it would have been easier. We know Skynet's data is limited because of records being destroyed in the war, so they go after when and where they know people to be. Sarah told the family that their house sitter was dead. So that means the terminator went to their primary residence first and likely got the cabin location from that person. Sarah's main priority was rescuing whoever the target was and she brought Cameron along to deal with the termiantor. But Cameron failed and they had to ditch. How were they supposed to find the terminator after that? The best they could do was tell the family what to do to stay safe and give them a contact number in case the terminator returned. I don't think the Connors even know that Automite is involved with Serrano Point (although they should). And even if they do, We don't know that there's any business connection between Zeira Corp and Automite. Weaver may be operating them independently. Yeah, that really does need explaining. She got lofted from very far away, was mysteriously shut down and took more than 120 seconds to reboot. I agree. Two mostly stand-alone episodes back to back is too much. Momentum lost. Dude. Please. Next week's ep could totally suck and it wouldn't mean they'd jumped the shark. It would just mean it totally sucked. Well, I suppose that would depend on why is sucked. I mean if Sarah comes face to face with herself from another timeline or we find out "the greys" are actually aliens or Cameron becomes a human and she and John elope or Derek cuts the skin off his arm to show he's a cyborg, then we could probably say they'd jumped the shark.
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Post by wb5 on Dec 9, 2008 17:01:13 GMT -5
I thought this was a bit of a meh episode - I like it least of all the S2 episodes so far, including "the mouse trap". The family in the present didn't really engage me, the "6 months later" part with Derek felt very isolated from all the rest and the future story was interesting, but short and a bit disjointed.
I'm also confused exactly when the different parts took place: is the "6 months earlier" where we were in the story by around the time of "Complications" and "Self made man", or is it earlier than that? It has to be after "the bloody wall", in any case. So, does that mean that the scenes with Derek and the girl are in the near future, as far as the episodes around it go? Or did that much time pass in S2 so far that there are over 6 months between the bloody wall and the time now? I doubt it. I can see why it didn't matter much when this episode was broadcasted, as it went back and forth in time so much that you get seasick (timesick?).
In the far future scenes, I'm also having difficulty placing those in the framework of "Dungeons and dragons". From what Perry told Derek, Kyle is already missing. However, this is clearly before Derek is called by Connor, to go to the past. So, do those scenes take place in between Derek escaping (or being allowed to escape, more like) from the Chopin-house, and Derek returning to the past? If so, a lot more time passed between the different future scenes in "Dungeons and dragons" than I thought.
It was nice to see Cameron lose a fight for once, though. She won so often with help from the Connors, or some luck, or good use of the environment, but she was bound to lose at least once from those strong T888s. Allthough the being thrown through the window scene didnt make any sense - is the T888 the Terminator champion for throwing heavy things far away?
If Skynet knew so well who Sydney was, and was thus aware she survived, couldn't it just have had her killed in the bunker, which looked to be pretty much in Skynet-controlled territory? Even by sending a Terminator back to that time, if it learned only later?
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Post by vicheron on Dec 9, 2008 17:22:54 GMT -5
Cameron attacking Roger was not the result of chip damage. She's made that mistake before, in "Heavy Metal," she attacked a guard without knowing whether or not he was a Terminator.
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Post by aceplace57 on Dec 9, 2008 17:38:19 GMT -5
Someone in the prop dept has a wicked sense of humor. Considering how dysfunctional the family was. This made be laugh.
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Post by t101 on Dec 9, 2008 17:50:48 GMT -5
Cameron attacking Roger was not the result of chip damage. She's made that mistake before, in "Heavy Metal," she attacked a guard without knowing whether or not he was a Terminator. She couldn't tell the pretzel girl was a terminator either.
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Post by schmacky on Dec 9, 2008 17:55:54 GMT -5
I LOVED Lauren's shirt in the cabin
"Get a Grip" HAHAHAHAA!!!!
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Post by vicheron on Dec 9, 2008 18:02:11 GMT -5
Cameron attacking Roger was not the result of chip damage. She's made that mistake before, in "Heavy Metal," she attacked a guard without knowing whether or not he was a Terminator. She couldn't tell the pretzel girl was a terminator either. But that was after her chip got damaged. She made the mistake in "Heavy Metal" when her chip was still fine. I LOVED Lauren's shirt in the cabin "Get a Grip" HAHAHAHAA!!!! That's what John said after finding out that Uncle Bob was a Terminator.
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Post by t101 on Dec 9, 2008 18:07:52 GMT -5
Ah, sorry I kinda missed the point. Anyway, I though the whole Vic x-raying Cameron was a goof. Terminators can't tell each other at a glance.
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Post by richardstevenhack on Dec 9, 2008 18:57:34 GMT -5
"Mousetrap" was extremely clever for a stand-alone. How Cromartie worked his plan was the entire interest in that episode.
This episode had nothing interesting in it. It had plot holes and inconsistent characterization you could drive a truck through.
It was indeed the "six months earlier" bit that confused me, that is, the actual timeline, not the fact that there were doing flashbacks and forwards. The problem is I downloaded the show, and it comes with no introductory stuff, so when the file opens it looked like I was in the middle of the show, not the beginning. Once I saw the six months bit, I glommed that this was a flash forward. But it was still confusing until it was apparent that this was the way the show was edited. And it was still confusing as to when the later stuff happens vis-a-vis everything else going on currently - but that's minor because this episode is unrelated to anything else.
I still cannot accept that Sarah simply set the Fields adrift with her phone number - she wouldn't even give CHARLEY her phone number for Christ's sakes! And then let them slide with a Terminator still hunting them. Where was the old Sarah who knows damn well that the Terminator WILL find them?! It simply didn't make any sense.
Once again, this is where the entire series breaks down. The Connors keep trying to keep this whole war a secret, and keep avoiding recruiting new people (except for Derek who was perfectly correct in offering the girl shelter after her mother died - not that the girl was incorrect for disappearing with the baby, however.) The excuse that they do this because the recruited people have families who could be targeted simply doesn't wash. If Skynet is going to send a Terminator back through time for every possible Resistance member, then the show is ridiculous. The reality is that anybody recruited is in the same boat as everybody else, and given the stakes involved, the Connors could use all the help they can get. It's just ridiculous to keep turning people loose and away - especially Charley with his medical knowledge who's already patched Derek up once, and especially Ellison who by now could have led them directly to "The Turk."
I realize that the writers are doing this to enable the development of Skynet, and for most of the audience none of this matters, but to me it just makes the Connors look like idiots.
As I've said before, if they're the saviors of the world, it's time to bring in the first string. I keep hoping Cameron will slap the crap out of all three of them and then tell them, "Okay, listen up, from here on out I'm in charge of this business!"
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Post by vicheron on Dec 9, 2008 19:08:18 GMT -5
I still cannot accept that Sarah simply set the Fields adrift with her phone number - she wouldn't even give CHARLEY her phone number for Christ's sakes! And then let them slide with a Terminator still hunting them. Where was the old Sarah who knows damn well that the Terminator WILL find them?! It simply didn't make any sense. Charlie wasn't important to the Resistance, he wasn't being hunted by Terminators and worst of all, he knew about John Connor being the leader of the Resistance. The Fields were important to the Resistance somehow, and there was no way they can actually lead a Terminator to John Connor. The problem isn't that Skynet will send a Terminator after every Resistance fighter, the problem is that people they recruit could lead Terminators to John Connor just like how Charlie led Cromartie to John. Anyone who is recruited is not in the same boat as everyone else. Sarah and John have no else in their lives. If their identity gets compromised, all they have to worry about is themselves. Other people have friends and families. Charlie for example, may still have parents he has to worry about. If he gets recruited by the Connors and a Terminator finds out about it, then it could go after his parents. Unless the Connors can find more people like them, people who have no families or friends, they're on their own.
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Post by aceplace57 on Dec 9, 2008 19:27:26 GMT -5
Almost forgot to discuss....
This was the first episode that confirmed a direct time line connection between actions in the past changing the future. Future Lauren thanked Derek for saving Sydney in the past.
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Post by wb5 on Dec 9, 2008 19:31:56 GMT -5
And it was still confusing as to when the later stuff happens vis-a-vis everything else going on currently That's also what I would like to know - where is all this supposed to happen compared to the other episodes - both the parts separated by the 6 months. Given that Sarah is still very wary of Cameron, the first part may be close to "automatic for the people", but it's hard to tell. And the 6 months after, does that happen before the fall finale, or not? So we have the Fields in this episode, but what does Alpine have to do with it? It was just "the Fields". Strange.
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Post by wb5 on Dec 9, 2008 19:33:53 GMT -5
Almost forgot to discuss.... This was the first episode that confirmed a direct time line connection between actions in the past changing the future. Future Lauren thanked Derek for saving Sydney in the past. awesome No more so than with Fischer. Lauren could have been thanking Derek solely for getting Sydney out of the bunker, on a particularly courageous mission. If nobody had come for her, she would presumably not have survived that long, by running out of food, if nothing else.
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