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Post by goober on Sept 16, 2008 20:10:27 GMT -5
Dont laugh people, here in Australia the networks still havent decided on getting TSSC season 2.........ratings in series one were lousy cos they kept changing the times, those that i know that watched season one, enjoyed it, the networks didnt do enough promotion. Thankfully mininova helps us out down here.
IMHO the show is great, given the competition in Australia against it is "funniest home videos" or "Australian Idol" like wtf, i dont get it...........then again who does get the networks.
If the show gets pulled...........what then?
And can somone tell me how many numbers the networks in the US need to keep it alive?
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Post by Derek Reese on Sept 16, 2008 20:16:07 GMT -5
In a recent interview with Josh, he stated that Skynet may have compromised one of the Resistance's time machines and that was in regards to the state of Resistance Fighters and Terminators appearing within the series. We've already seen one variation on the Resistance having a time machine - the one in which Derek and his team took. What's to say that particular one isn't compromised? It would be a lot easier than doing a little B&E into a Skynet facility to get to a machine. Mod Note - Keep the ratings discussion in the ratings thread. This is STRICTLY EPISODE DISCUSSION.
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Post by allergygal on Sept 16, 2008 23:41:24 GMT -5
What I don't understand is if the endgame of the power plant incident was for Catherine to take over why did they need the Greenway Terminator? I'm guessing if the RF hadn't shown up our group wouldn't even have known about the plant. But the Terminator would still have been there and cause a meltdown. I didn't see any intention on his part to stop the meltdown. He looked like he was going to stay in the control room and let the thing explode. Wouldn't that be working against Catherine's plan? Skynet's main goal was to make sure the plant would not be usable for the resistance in the future and Greenway terminator would have succeeded in that (by causing a meltdown) had Cam not closed the valve. So since the meltdown plan failed, Catherine stepped in to handle it a different way - automate the plant (and 6 others!). I'd assume that would give Skynet a huge advantage come judgement day. The fact that the Resistance fighter is being shot as he's coming through is not good, since it means that time machine chamber was under assault at the time. This guy may actually be the last Resistance fighter we'll see coming through because the time chamber for the Resistance has been destroyed (at least at that point in the future war). So Josh loaded him with plot points painted on a wall that Josh can use later. Yeah, I'd say things aren't looking too good for the future war right now. At the time Kyle was sent through, the resistance had captured Skynet's time displacement facility, used it and blown it up. When Derek & Co. were sent through, it seemed the resistance had built their own time machine. They were also capturing and reprogramming machines to work for their side. Certainly appeared that the battle was going well for the resistance. but now we've got another RF coming through getting shot in the process. That can only mean that the resistance's time displacement facility was being taken over by mcahines or there was a split in the resistance and the RF was shot by one of his own guys. Neither scenario is good news, so it would seem that the future has been altered since the Connors arrived in 2007, and not for the better. The main thing that's happened that you'd expect to have a significant impact on the future is Andy Goode's death. In this episode, we had this little exchange between Sarah and Derek: SARAH: I've seen how you handle it. I send you and the landmine to do this, I guarantee someone's ending up dead. DEREK: Maybe somebody's supposed to end up dead. SARAH: And the other part of that equation is maybe not. Sarah has no way of knowing if killing Andy helped or hurt future war - she's just upset that Derek killed him. But what we do know is Andy's dead, his Turk is now in Catherine's liquid metal hands and future war isn't looking so good. Maybe Andy wasn't supposed to end up dead.
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Post by Ronnie on Sept 16, 2008 23:50:10 GMT -5
Okay, currently watching it for the third time, on Hulu. Some further thoughts... 1.) First time I saw this, it looked to me like the resistance fighter moved while in the time bubble and got brushed with the spherical time-displacement field, and that's what injured him. Now I see the bullet. Not only is it a bit silly that yes, the bullet seems to go back in time with the resistance fighter, but anyone notice that he seems to go through the time bubble and emerge in the present at night...but when he runs out of the alley with the coat he grabbed from the homeless guy, it's suddenly daylight? 2.) How dumb is it for Sarah and Derek to talk about how much they don't trust Cameron, how she's a guard dog they can't trust, in the same room with her, when she's got robot super-hearing? 4.) That Riley is not only hungry all the time, notice that the first thing she looks for in the Connors' new fridge is pickles. Then she gets ecstatic upon finding ice cream. Pickles and Ice Cream, eh? Are the writers trying to say she's pregnant? 11.) Something struck me as odd about Michelle Dixon's reaction to the news. Can't quite put my finger on it. 19.) So was that Gordon Freeman smashing Greenway's windshield with the crowbar? 24.) So...how smegging stupid is it to design your power plant so you have to go through the radioactive waste storage chamber to get from anywhere to anywhere? 25.) If it's still November of 2007, I guess we were wrong when we thought that the last few eps of first season were set in Spring 2008. 27.) So...is Auto-Mite Systems the same company Catherine Weaver runs, or another company entirely? Whew. That's a lot of bullet points. A few Responses: 1. Just re-watched this part, the lighting seems consistent enough. The dramatic lighting with the 'time bubble' being so bright makes everything seem a little darker, after it fades out it seems consistent with him grabbing the clothes. 2. It's not like she's going to flip her lid just because they are talking ill of her. She knows what she has done and how their views of her are changed. Derek has been negative towards her all of Season 1, that didn't make her turn around and punch him. 4. Doubt pregnant, just eccentric. 11. She freaked out, who wouldn't? She is obviously upset at Charlie for getting them wrapped up in things. 19. No headcrabs around. It was explained that Greenfield has a lot of enemies because people risk losing their jobs because of his over cautiousness regarding the reactor. 24. You don't have to go through the waste to get from point A to point B, Derek took the long way around. Sarah was in a hurry and deemed it her best course of action at the time. 25. It is still 2007. When they jumped forward in time, their target was 2007. No mention of 2008 has been made as far as I can recall. 27. Weaver was shown in charge of "Zeira Corp" in 2x01.
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Post by Derek Reese on Sept 16, 2008 23:52:56 GMT -5
Okay, currently watching it for the third time, on Hulu. Some further thoughts... 1.) First time I saw this, it looked to me like the resistance fighter moved while in the time bubble and got brushed with the spherical time-displacement field, and that's what injured him. Now I see the bullet. Not only is it a bit silly that yes, the bullet seems to go back in time with the resistance fighter, but anyone notice that he seems to go through the time bubble and emerge in the present at night...but when he runs out of the alley with the coat he grabbed from the homeless guy, it's suddenly daylight? 2.) How dumb is it for Sarah and Derek to talk about how much they don't trust Cameron, how she's a guard dog they can't trust, in the same room with her, when she's got robot super-hearing? 4.) That Riley is not only hungry all the time, notice that the first thing she looks for in the Connors' new fridge is pickles. Then she gets ecstatic upon finding ice cream. Pickles and Ice Cream, eh? Are the writers trying to say she's pregnant? 11.) Something struck me as odd about Michelle Dixon's reaction to the news. Can't quite put my finger on it. 19.) So was that Gordon Freeman smashing Greenway's windshield with the crowbar? 24.) So...how smegging stupid is it to design your power plant so you have to go through the radioactive waste storage chamber to get from anywhere to anywhere? 25.) If it's still November of 2007, I guess we were wrong when we thought that the last few eps of first season were set in Spring 2008. 27.) So...is Auto-Mite Systems the same company Catherine Weaver runs, or another company entirely? Whew. That's a lot of bullet points. A few Responses: 1. Just re-watched this part, the lighting seems consistent enough. The dramatic lighting with the 'time bubble' being so bright makes everything seem a little darker, after it fades out it seems consistent with him grabbing the clothes. 2. It's not like she's going to flip her lid just because they are talking ill of her. She knows what she has done and how their views of her are changed. Derek has been negative towards her all of Season 1, that didn't make her turn around and punch him. 4. Doubt pregnant, just eccentric. 11. She freaked out, who wouldn't? She is obviously upset at Charlie for getting them wrapped up in things. 19. No headcrabs around. It was explained that Greenfield has a lot of enemies because people risk losing their jobs because of his over cautiousness regarding the reactor. 24. You don't have to go through the waste to get from point A to point B, Derek took the long way around. Sarah was in a hurry and deemed it her best course of action at the time. 25. It is still 2007. When they jumped forward in time, their target was 2007. No mention of 2008 has been made as far as I can recall. 27. Weaver was shown in charge of "Zeira Corp" in 2x01. Second your responses Ronnie.
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Post by vicheron on Sept 17, 2008 0:53:15 GMT -5
What I don't understand is if the endgame of the power plant incident was for Catherine to take over why did they need the Greenway Terminator? I'm guessing if the RF hadn't shown up our group wouldn't even have known about the plant. But the Terminator would still have been there and cause a meltdown. I didn't see any intention on his part to stop the meltdown. He looked like he was going to stay in the control room and let the thing explode. Wouldn't that be working against Catherine's plan? Skynet's main goal was to make sure the plant would not be usable for the resistance in the future and Greenway terminator would have succeeded in that (by causing a meltdown) had Cam not closed the valve. So since the meltdown plan failed, Catherine stepped in to handle it a different way - automate the plant (and 6 others!). I'd assume that would give Skynet a huge advantage come judgement day. Having Catherine take over the plant may have been Skynet's plan all along. The plant was already in trouble, if the real Greenway had stopped the test then the problem would have been attributed to the power plant itself and it would have been shut down. If Greenway hadn't stopped the test and the plant malfunctioned, the problem still would have been attributed the power plant and it would have been shut down. Since Terminator Greenway sabotaged the plant by trying to cause a meltdown, the problem can be attributed to human error rather than a design or construction flaw of the power plant, which would allow for a change in management rather than having the plant shut down. Remember, despite the fact that the Resistance had control of the power plant, Skynet had control of it first and for a much longer period of time.
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Post by jen22 on Sept 17, 2008 1:06:40 GMT -5
Skynet's main goal was to make sure the plant would not be usable for the resistance in the future and Greenway terminator would have succeeded in that (by causing a meltdown) had Cam not closed the valve. So since the meltdown plan failed, Catherine stepped in to handle it a different way - automate the plant (and 6 others!). I'd assume that would give Skynet a huge advantage come judgement day. Still doesn't make sense. The Resistance gets control of the plant in 2026 (according to Cameron). It was Skynet controlled for like 3 decades. Why would Skynet want to get rid of one their own power sources? The plant was in the hands of the Resistance barely a year or two from the time Derek/Cameron came. And I'm pretty sure that if Skynet wants it back bad enough it has enough machines that can fight to get it back. So to me the Greenway Terminator still doesn't make sense.
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Post by rove3 on Sept 17, 2008 9:56:45 GMT -5
I've only seen the episode once (will re-watch tonight), but what exactly did RF guy manage to gurgle out before he died? Did he tell Sarah and Derek to stop Greenway? I think it would have been interesting to get a shot of Sarah and Derek watching the press conference and thereby learning that seven nuclear plants were going to be automated. They thought they had succeeded.
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Post by theturk on Sept 17, 2008 10:50:36 GMT -5
Skynet's main goal was to make sure the plant would not be usable for the resistance in the future and Greenway terminator would have succeeded in that (by causing a meltdown) had Cam not closed the valve. So since the meltdown plan failed, Catherine stepped in to handle it a different way - automate the plant (and 6 others!). I'd assume that would give Skynet a huge advantage come judgement day. Still doesn't make sense. The Resistance gets control of the plant in 2026 (according to Cameron). It was Skynet controlled for like 3 decades. Why would Skynet want to get rid of one their own power sources? The plant was in the hands of the Resistance barely a year or two from the time Derek/Cameron came. And I'm pretty sure that if Skynet wants it back bad enough it has enough machines that can fight to get it back. So to me the Greenway Terminator still doesn't make sense. Think of it this way: a nuclear power plant worker freaks out, kills or injures his colleagues, causes a nuclear meltdown, then goes home and commits suicide. What conclusions do people draw from such an incident? Actually, you saw what conclusions they drew, even from a narrowly averted meltdown: take humans out of the loop through automation.
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Post by jen22 on Sept 17, 2008 11:03:05 GMT -5
Still really doesn't make sense to me. If you take our group out of the equasion the plant would have melted down. No one would have known Greenway was the one who caused it. The ones he killed would never be found because their bodies would have been destroyed. They only would be unaccounted for. That one guy who was in the control room and saw Greenway do nothing to stop the meltdown probably got out of the plant. But considering the destruction this meltdown would cause he would never get far away enough in time.
So all that's left in the end are no witnesses to what Greenway did or didn't do. People will only think he killed himself because of all the lives he destroyed by bringing this plant to live to begin with. And that's the only human error in this. The rest was faulty machinery. The plant was malfunctioning. He couldn't stop it.
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Post by Big Brother on Sept 17, 2008 11:32:32 GMT -5
I'm not entirely positive that Greenway/Skynet intended to go all the way to full meltdown. A narrowly averted disaster would do just as well when it comes to automating the plants. A full meltdown might lead to shutting down lots of nuke plants, and a major change in the pre-Skynet timeline with unpredictable side effects. Heck, contaminating much of Southern California might have huge impacts on scientific and technical research, with how many high-tech companies are there, apparently including Weaver's. A full Chernobyl-style disaster would be just as likely to delay or even prevent J-Day as hasten it or improve Skynet's strategic situation afterwards.
No, a situation where a human operator went crazy, killed people, nearly caused a disaster, then went home and committed suicide, but an actual meltdown was narrowly averted by automated systems would be far more in Skynet's interest. It would get more and better automated controls at this and other nuclear plants, possibly shut down this plant, and yet avert other major changes to the timeline that could prove unpredictably detrimental to Skynet.
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Post by saskaia on Sept 17, 2008 11:43:07 GMT -5
A solid episode on it's own, but coming after the season one finale and the season two starter it seemed too "meh" for me to really like it. I'll rewatch it again, but my thoughts thus far:
1. Where was the debate between Sarah and Derek? I love their banter and it was nil this episode.
2. I loved Derek screaming for Sarah in the control room when the plan was melting.
3. Cameron in the pool hall was golden; I loved her counting the money she made off the power plant workers.
4. John was typically irritating in that believable teenage way; I didn't care for him bringing Riley right back to the house. It seemed too fast, just a bit to OOC considering he was very IC with his phone answering speech.
5. Charley/Dean Winters does nothing for me but the scene with Ellison and Not!Penny was fabulous. I wouldn't mind Charley buying the farm and Ellison consoling Not!Penny. They have a chemistry in that one scene that intrigued me. Assuming that Charley is not really driving off into the sunset (which would be too good to be true for me).
6. Weaver as the spokesperson at the end was a great twist. I want to see more of Manson.
7. The randomness of the cartoon while Sarah and Cameron waited to be hired was telling; Sarah was bored and Cameron seemed intrigued by the talking squirrel.
8. My greatest disappointment was not enough Derek and specifically not enough Derek/John interaction. I don't mind the introduction of a love interest but I don't want it to take away from John and the existing characters.
Looking forward to next week...
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Post by mikee77 on Sept 17, 2008 12:07:29 GMT -5
Just curious. Did anyone notice Reese pullling up to the plant in a brand new 2009 Dodge Ram??? What year are they in right now? I thought it was 2007, am I wrong?
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Post by minger on Sept 17, 2008 12:19:22 GMT -5
Didn't even realize that...Dodge is sponsering some of TSCC, so they probably just got it and used it
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Post by jen22 on Sept 17, 2008 12:46:01 GMT -5
I'm not entirely positive that Greenway/Skynet intended to go all the way to full meltdown. A narrowly averted disaster would do just as well when it comes to automating the plants. Again true. But from what we were shown on screen the Greenway Terminator did not make any move to stop the meltdown. Sure we could speculate and say he was just waiting until the very last moment and every worker was away from the facility. And then he would have made his move. But he went after Cameron who was about to fix the problem. If his endgame was to stop the meltdown eventually why stop her? He was in the control room. He could have started the emergency protocol to cool down the reactor. It probably would be stopped once Cameron fixed it (although I don't know that much about power plant emergency protocol). But he could have gone down, kill Cameron and open that pipe again for appearances or to start over or something. No human (unless dead or unconscious) was near the plant at that point (from his POV) to witness anything. So all I'm saying is that we never saw him do anything that suggested he was to stop the meltdown at some point.
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