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Post by t101 on Apr 26, 2009 4:40:06 GMT -5
From the way Kyle was looking at John in the end do you think he might recognize him from the park when he was young?
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Post by timstuff on Apr 26, 2009 15:38:39 GMT -5
Wow, that's an interesting question... Considering how young Kyle was at the time though, at best I think he might have a sense of deja vu from seeing him.
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Post by allergygal on Apr 26, 2009 15:44:49 GMT -5
I don't think there's any way Kyle or Derek would remember some kid that happened to be sitting in the park so long ago. Even the moment of handing Kyle the baseball — it was nothing memorable from Kyle's perspective. It's a fun thought, though.
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Post by vicheron on Apr 27, 2009 18:42:58 GMT -5
Derek and Kyle might recognize John Connor from news reports about two suspected domestic terrorists who blew up a tech company named Cyberdyne, killed its lead researcher, and along with a third suspected terrorist, blew up a bank, kidnapped the daughter of the CEO of another tech company named Zeira, engineered a massive jail break, blew up Zeira, and killed the company's CEO.
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Post by allergygal on Apr 28, 2009 0:19:26 GMT -5
Derek and Kyle might recognize John Connor from news reports about two suspected domestic terrorists who blew up a tech company named Cyberdyne, killed its lead researcher, and along with a third suspected terrorist, blew up a bank, kidnapped the daughter of the CEO of another tech company named Zeira, engineered a massive jail break, blew up Zeira, and killed the company's CEO. That's really unlikely. Can you picture Eric Rudoloh? Try before you click this link. He was an on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted for years, killed 2 people, injured many others in a series of bombings. I didn't even remember his name (found it by searching the crimes) and I had such a vague mental picture in my head that I could walk right past him and not know it. John Connor might have been shown heavily on the news for a few days and intermittently for a few weeks after that when Derek and Kyle were ages 13 and 6 (I think that's what they'd be in 2009). Assuming they even paid any attention to the news, I just can't imagine the name or face would've stuck with them at all. We're talking 17+ years later.
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Post by vicheron on Apr 28, 2009 18:28:29 GMT -5
The Connors are more on the level of Timothy McVeigh and Ted Kaczynski. They've caused tens maybe hundred of millions of dollars of damage and they've probably been blamed for tons of deaths. The fact that they haven't got caught and could strike again definitely compounds things. Plus they'll get much more news coverage in California since that's where most of their criminal activities were committed.
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Post by littleb on Apr 29, 2009 13:56:06 GMT -5
The Connors are more on the level of Timothy McVeigh and Ted Kaczynski. They've caused tens maybe hundred of millions of dollars of damage and they've probably been blamed for tons of deaths. But Detective Funny!Boy only brought up Dyson, blowing up the bank and the deaths in relation to kidnapping Savannah. We know they have a few more dead bodies under their belts, but the authorities don't seem to have a clue. To be honest, ten years later, I couldn't see that much press interest in Sarah's arrest, although I guess a female "terrorist" would be more of a story.
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Post by vicheron on Apr 29, 2009 18:10:08 GMT -5
I doubt that those SWAT guys who shot Dyson managed to get away from the explosion.
Even if there wasn't much press coverage over Sarah's arrest. There will be tons of press coverage over the huge prison break and Zeira getting blown up. There are witnesses and no doubt video showing Cameron breaking into the jail so that will definitely get blamed on the Connors. Zeira getting blown up shortly after Sarah escapes jail would make her a prime suspect at the least.
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Post by timstuff on Apr 29, 2009 19:11:40 GMT -5
John Henry would have erased the prison break footage of Cameron and Sarah. Also, the attack on Ziera Corp only damaged one room, which would be possible to cover up if necessary.
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Post by vicheron on Apr 29, 2009 19:34:00 GMT -5
Plenty of prison guards also saw Cameron. The priest also knows that Sarah was likely responsible for the prison break.
We only saw one room getting blown up. That wasn't the only room damaged since we saw lights flickering all over the building. I doubt that Kaliba would have stopped there especially considering that Catherine said that they were trying to kill her "son."
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Post by timstuff on Apr 29, 2009 21:26:30 GMT -5
I'll concede that the police probably have connected Sarah with the prison break, because they'd be idiots if they didn't. Howevever, the priest isn't going to tell them jack since he's already past the point of no return, and he knows that there's bigger things going on than just the police trying to catch a "terrorist."
Assuming that Skynet had direct control over at least one flying drone, it's quite likely that it used the drone to directly attack weaver and the Connors since that was its most potent means of attack. For all we know though, that one drone was all it had, which is why it sent it on a kamikaze run. I highly doubt that the entire building was destroyed afterwards. Kaliba may be powerful, but their resources are still limited, as are Skynet's. They don't have the means to cause a mini-9/11, analyzing what to do now that they know Weaver is a half-indestructible AI.
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Post by samuel95 on Apr 29, 2009 21:33:28 GMT -5
Kaliba may be powerful, but their resources are still limited, as are Skynet's. They don't have the means to cause a mini-9/11, analyzing what to do now that they know Weaver is a half-indestructible AI. Does Kaliba/Skynet know that yet? If so, why bother with Savanah since it wouldn't impact a terminator's mission? Why waste a rare drone if they'd known it wouldn't damage her? Would they even know afterward since she did disappear? On the other hand, I miss about a bazillion things other people point out to me on this site. So, do they know she's a T-1001 yet?
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Post by vicheron on Apr 30, 2009 1:12:39 GMT -5
Weaver said that Kaliba was trying to kill John Henry. Even if Kaliba wasn't able to destroy Zeira, the Connors will likely be blamed for the damage caused by the drone and the security guard the water delivery Terminator killed since Cameron went through at least one security guard to get to John Henry. The Connors will definitely be on the news. Not only will they be blamed for a lot of deaths and tons of damage, it's also an extremely unusual case. Think about it, a mother, daughter and son terrorist team who not only managed to do tons of damage, managed to evade authorities for years and are still at large. Oh and they don't seem to have aged at all in over 10 years. They'll definitely do a couple of 60 Minutes or Dateline episodes about it. Even if Kyle and Derek don't remember, there's a good chance that someone will.
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Post by timstuff on Apr 30, 2009 5:54:52 GMT -5
True, but still no-one is expecting to see John Connor pop up in 2027 looking like a 16-17 year old, even if their memory of what he looked like on the news is pretty good. At best, it'd be a sense of deja-vu, but their mind would rationalize it as nothing else, since the thought of it actually being some guy they saw on the news 20 years earlier would be out of the question in their rational minds. Also, I'm not sure if the speculation would be that Cameron is Sarah's daughter, because there is nothing in the FBI's files to suggest that Sarah ever had one. Right now she's in the system as "an unidentified female accomplice." If I were the authorities, I'd speculate that either Sarah's whole "terrorist girl power" thing attracted a follower who she recruited, or that Cameron is John's girlfriend who they brought into the family business. Heck, maybe they think she's the daughter of the T-800, who they assume was a mass murderer / serial killer that Sarah brought into her movement in the mid 90's. There's a ton of potential for craziness. I can't help but wonder what the episode of America's Most Wanted would have been that week... Who knows, maybe next season Fox will pull some strings and get John Walsh to make a cameo.
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Post by allergygal on May 8, 2009 0:12:59 GMT -5
Okay, I think it's time to get into this because K8tie's been trying hard to convince me that my take on the time jump scene is wrong, but since I'm pretty well set on my own interpretation, it hasn't worked out very well. I'm sure I've already talked about why I hated that scene before, but I'll recap:
John ditched his mother (who he believed had cancer) and bailed on trying to stop the apocalypse so he could jump to the future with some liquid metal he'd just met (whose motives were questionable at best and who was verbally bitch-slapping his mom all over the place) to pursue his one true love: a computer chip. And Sarah accepted that. Ack!
I know the season was building towards John and Sarah separating,. She'd started to believe that her ability to protect him was overshadowed by the danger she brought to his life. When she thought she was dying, her one hope for John to maintain a human bond was killed with Charley. Sarah also realized John would never stay away — he would always find her, even when she told him not too. And she knew John had an unbreakable bond with Cameron.
All that culminates in a few minutes of craziness at Zeira and Sarah basically steps aside and lets him go alone. As insane as the idea of John time jumping to an unknown future with Weaver to chase down Cameron is, it might have seemed the sanest choice under the circumstances. But I can't reconcile any of it with "John, we can't."
If Sarah thought John leaving that way was the lesser of two evils, then why did she say "we can't"? If she didn't think it was a good idea, then why didn't she protest more? She didn't really let him go, but she didn't really try to stop him either. So it was a wishy-washy non-choice and that doesn't sit well with me because Sarah doesn't make wish-washy non-choices.
And that's where I've been stuck since this episode aired.
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