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Post by aceplace57 on Apr 4, 2009 15:04:00 GMT -5
I've heard Josh personally wrote the finale. So, it should be very good. I'm looking forward to seeing how the show ends. There's several potential shark moments that I hope he avoided Killing Weaver - killing her in the typical 5 min tv terminator fight would be a huge, huge shark moment. One viewing of T2 makes it obvious killing a T-1000 is a massive, herculean effort. John Henry fighting and defeating any terminator. He doesn't have Cromarties skills. He isn't programmed to fight (yet). Wrapping up the baby skynet story. It's going to take more than 42 mins of air time to untangle the Zeira Corp / Kaliba Group puzzle. I can see Zeira corp blowing up or John Henry dying. That would be exciting. But, Baby skynet should live on past S2. Somebody still has a prototype HK that could be a big part of S3. Sarah dying or leaving for chemo treatments. Killing Savannah - hands off the kid! Showing something like that for the shock value goes beyond the bounds of taste. Kids die in the real world. I personally don't want it exploited for television. Judgment Day -- Just say no to the mushroom cloud. The Movies have already mined that material twice.
TSCC has so many convoluted stories and unanswered questions. ;D Trying to cover too much material in 42 mins will only leave everyone disappointed. I hope Josh focused on wrapping up a couple of key things and let the rest wait for S3. If S3 doesn't happen, the fan fiction writers will have plenty of great material to explore. TSCC has been a wild ride. Frustrating at times, but always fun. I'll miss it terribly after it ends next Friday. I'm still hoping for S3, but Sept is a long wait.
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Post by wb5 on Apr 4, 2009 20:22:01 GMT -5
Short of time travel shenanigans (which I doubt, but wouldn't rule out completely), our Derek is dead in 2009, but I don't think we're done with Derek in the future just yet since we haven't learned the secrets of the creepy basement. Yeah, we know he gave up the location of the bunker and we know Cameron knows about that. But how and why is what we've yet to learn. And I think we're gong to see that from Cameron's POV since she's the only one now who could tell the story. Here's me guess about that. I think Derek knows Allison in the future and when he gets taken to the creepy basement, they have her there and threaten to kill her unless he gives up the location of the bunker. He does and then finds out it's not Allison; it's a machine — Cameron. That's why Derek immediately recognizes Cameron as a machine when he sees her at the base where John Connor is. And since there's a pretty big time lapse between when Derek gets captured and when he ends up there, that's probably the time period in which Cameron gets captured and reprogrammed by John. I would like that - it would be a great explanation for the basement, which we were promised would be explained. If BAG is part of the finale though, it would be a mistake not to show that in the promo, as some viewers will not watch if he is not in it and the show really can't use that right now. Cameron may "betray" John if she decides to join with JH, who could be seen as a good guy from her POV. John and/or Sarah may not come to see that (by lack of good info and because of their experiences), at least not by the end of the finale. And, aceplace, great post! I agree, just say no to the mushroom cloud! No JD in our time. ;D
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Post by thecolours on Apr 4, 2009 21:29:06 GMT -5
Short of time travel shenanigans (which I doubt, but wouldn't rule out completely), our Derek is dead in 2009, but I don't think we're done with Derek in the future just yet since we haven't learned the secrets of the creepy basement. Yeah, we know he gave up the location of the bunker and we know Cameron knows about that. But how and why is what we've yet to learn. And I think we're gong to see that from Cameron's POV since she's the only one now who could tell the story. Here's me guess about that. I think Derek knows Allison in the future and when he gets taken to the creepy basement, they have her there and threaten to kill her unless he gives up the location of the bunker. He does and then finds out it's not Allison; it's a machine — Cameron. That's why Derek immediately recognizes Cameron as a machine when he sees her at the base where John Connor is. And since there's a pretty big time lapse between when Derek gets captured and when he ends up there, that's probably the time period in which Cameron gets captured and reprogrammed by John. I would like that - it would be a great explanation for the basement, which we were promised would be explained. If BAG is part of the finale though, it would be a mistake not to show that in the promo, as some viewers will not watch if he is not in it and the show really can't use that right now. Cameron may "betray" John if she decides to join with JH, who could be seen as a good guy from her POV. John and/or Sarah may not come to see that (by lack of good info and because of their experiences), at least not by the end of the finale. And, aceplace, great post! I agree, just say no to the mushroom cloud! No JD in our time. ;D We were promised we would find out what happened to Derek in the basement during the last couple episodes of Season 2. But, we were never promised we would see what exactly happened.
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Post by Hollow Crown on Apr 4, 2009 23:25:54 GMT -5
There's going to be an extended look at 'Terminator Salvation' during this episode. Just thought I'd throw that out there for those who care.
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Post by timstuff on Apr 5, 2009 2:23:20 GMT -5
So, the big question on my mind right now... In the song "Born to Run," is Wendy Sarah, or Cameron?
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Post by driftlight23 on Apr 5, 2009 6:22:10 GMT -5
I'm not linking to it, but an alleged entire synopsis of 2.22 has been leaked on line. Massive spoilers, obviously. I've read it. It could be the most awesome troll ever, or it could be an utterly amazing, jaw-dropping episode. RSH is all over it like a rash on the wiki.
Mods, if you don't want this mentioned at all, feel free to delete.
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Post by timstuff on Apr 5, 2009 7:01:09 GMT -5
I accidentally stumbled upon that, and I really regret it. I think it's all BS personally, but I read it without having gotten any sleep, and my brain was nice and mushy and pliable. I hated what I was reading, and even though I think that the blog it comes from is run by a pathological liar (she insists that the show is already canceled, and Fox just won't tell us). However, it doesn't change the fact that I'd gone 24 hours without sleep, and was hearing things that I did not want to hear. I didn't believe it, but I still almost felt like crying because of how disappointed I was, because the ending that the blogger claims will happen pretty much guarantees that the show has hit a dead end. It was like when Neon Genesis Evangelion ended, and it was just one giant mind f***. I loved that show to death, but the ending almost made me want to disown it (the movie was fortunately much better, but it was still a massive mind f*** in its own way).
I just really, really hope this is all bogus. I believe in Josh, and I don't want him to let us down.
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Post by driftlight23 on Apr 5, 2009 7:12:57 GMT -5
I can't decide if it's real or not - it certainly ties things up while leaving them open, and hits a lot of the stuff we've been discussing and speculating about the show, particularly AI-wise, since the beginning. Really not sure. But it reads plausibly enough in places, and what I saw, although shocking (and everyone knows who my favourite character is ), actually left me pretty excited. And it segues neatly both into T3 and T4. So... *shrugs* Something that makes me suspicious is that it seems like a hell of a lot to fit into one ep. Something else is that JH says something about C that seems to be in direct contravention to what the writers have stated about the character all along. I don't want to go into too much detail though, even in a spoiler thread, in case it's all a steaming pile of rubbish. ;D There's certainly some fanfic-like elements to it, and it's just... it just feels off somehow, while still having some exciting ideas. Maybe it's an awesome mindfrak specifically targetted at RSH. I'd pay good money for that.
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Post by timstuff on Apr 5, 2009 8:24:26 GMT -5
After 2 hours of contemplation, I'm finally calling BS on this, without any more hesitation. The "script" that that review described would cost tens of millions of dollars to make, and run for 86 minutes. Seriously, just Cameron's death scene would be a VERY expensive, labor-intense scene to shoot, even by a movie's standards! Just look at it-- the whole thing seems like it was written by someone who had no sense of TV budgeting AT ALL! Let's look at some of the more lavish funishings this guy claims the episode will have:
Multiple action set pieces Lots of Catherine Weaver CG A VERY elaborate death scene for Cameron that would make even ILM and Stan Winston work overtime TONS of plot stuff that wasn't even hinted at until now The destruction of Ziera Corp's building (an explosion of that size costs a lot of moolah) Flying hunter killers Multiple T-888s
Do I need to go on? THIS IS A FREAKING SHOW! They DO NOT have the budget of T2 or T3, so I don't see this happening. It's like the author was just trying to make people go "wow, that's a lot of crazy sh**, I can't wait!" THIS ISN'T TERMINATOR 2! It's TV show, and as such it's going to have a TV-sized budget. We're not going to see tens of millions of dollars of special effects and makeup, ESPECIALLY if the show is "being cancelled."
Also, the reviewer claims that Cameron and Catherine Weaver's model lineage makes them "sisters" (even though any real Terminator fan will tell you that they are from completely different lines). And here's them most retarded thing of all:
"In the basement, John ask John Henry if he was sure that Cameron was indeed alive, he says, Yes she was. John then says in a distraught tone, “So she had real feelings and a real soul” John Henry says in a certain tone ”Yes that is true”. A tear rolls down Sarah’s cheek."
WHAT A LOAD OF $#!%!
Do not read the article, unless you want a good laugh. My almost-tears at reading this review have turned into contemptuous laughter, because I can't believe I'd fall for such a ridiculous farce. This blogger has lost whatever shred of credibility she may have had, and if TSCC gets renewed, it's only going to make her look dumber.
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Post by driftlight23 on Apr 5, 2009 8:30:30 GMT -5
Yeah, the Sarah stuff and the soul stuff in particular really does smell a bit off. JF did say they'd filmed a huge explosion at the end though, so I wouldn't be surprised if Z-Corp did get blown up.
Weeee'll seeeeee..... ;D
ETA: It's quite interesting to compare them with the ep spoilers LiquidMetal posted in the InfinityLegend thread about the season finale on the wiki.
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Post by timstuff on Apr 5, 2009 9:07:46 GMT -5
I don't think I've seen those spoilers, but I can imagine them having some similarities, since this "review" was at least constructed from existing known data about the episode.
A huge explosion, I can buy. A multi-storied corporate building being blown up though? I don't see that happening. Just blowing up Cyberdyne in T2 was a HUGE undertaking that required millions of bucks to pull off. Blowing up a small building is do-able with a TV budget. Blowing up a building the size of Ziera-Corp is very iffy though, ESPECIALLY when you have all of these other expensive effects and action set pieces that the "review" promises.
And to the people who are saying it's too descriptive to be a hoax... Well, what about fan fiction writers? They're quite capable of pumping out long wordy chapters within days of an episode's airing, so I'm sure a determined hoaxster could do the same.
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Post by terrasj on Apr 5, 2009 9:28:42 GMT -5
A big explosion is one thing. Buildings go boom, sure...
But all the FX to graphically rip Cameron to pieces?
There's more to back that up. Again as Tim and I covered over aim:
1. The FX budget for tearing Cam limb from limb.
2. way too graphic for a show like TSCC (even by network standards)
3. Plasma rifle smelts Cameron's lower half into a steaming pile of Coltan? Whaaa?!? 2 red flags there - first being a Plasma rifle. Plasma rifle? c'mon... Second being it high powered enough to smelt Cameron's torso in half, and into a pool of slagged coltran at that. On the sub, the rifle bore a small chunk of the sub captain's face, the size of a fist and it didn't smelt the skull either.
4. Cameron willingly letting JH 'borrow' her chip?
5. King Henry Takes Control: “I know that you can hear me Ms.Weaver. I analysed the data from the Terminator HTX Prototype known as Cameron, she was indeed your relative Ms. Weaver, she was your older sibling."
5a. Cameron a prototype ok... But an HTX??? Weaver's older sibling??? What happened to TOK715?
5b. Nice typo there - "analysed" should be "analyzed" ... There's a ton of typo's in that page. Professional sources and even scripts rarely have typo's in them, let alone a bunch. That is what spell checking is for.
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Post by driftlight23 on Apr 5, 2009 10:02:59 GMT -5
Yeah, it smells funny. The stuff about the proposed alliance with the T-1000 being Cam's idea behind Future!John's back I did like the sound of but other stuff just feels wrong.
'analysed' is British English spelling - I have to say though, when I worked in TV here in the UK, we would get access to unedited eps of shows weeks before they aired even in the States, so it doesn't necessarily rule out things on that one particular account.
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Post by aceplace57 on Apr 5, 2009 10:04:01 GMT -5
Spoilers for Cameron's death came up on this site last Oct. Driftlight posted this on Oct 6 in the Who do you think will Die in Season 2? thread (page 7). Compare this description to Cameron's death scene in the new spoiler. Pretty close match. Except there's no dissection. These are horrific battle wounds. I'm actually very satisfied with the ending. The main characters survive for a possible S3. The building explosion makes the cops and Skynet think they're dead. Cameron's chip memory is safely downloaded/stored in JH. A new, nekkid Cameron is back. Her memories can easily be restored, if S3 happens. This is a better ending than I expected. Now, I want to see if this spoiler is true or not. I'll be watching next Friday!
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Post by driftlight23 on Apr 5, 2009 10:18:23 GMT -5
Spoilers for Cameron's death came up on this site last Oct. Driftlight posted this on Oct 6 in the Who do you think will Die in Season 2? thread (page 7). Compare this description to Cameron's death scene in the new spoiler. Pretty close match. Except there's no dissection. These are horrific battle wounds. Ah, well, that was actually based on the terminator's heart that Cromartie removes from the Ellison T - I thought it was a Wizard of Oz link to Cameron's heart, and that we'd see it sitting in a tray in Weaver's lab or something at the end, because Weaver would consider Cam to be the one who crossed against the light. Subsequent events proved me wrong. As usual.
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