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Post by rossbondreturns on Jul 14, 2008 16:12:33 GMT -5
Some early posters for the series had Cameron labeled as TOK715. But that might not have carried over into the actual show because they are keeping her such a mystery. Hey what if Cameron isn't really that advanced? You know, the TOK715 could stand for T-715. Sometimes older versions of things work better, like windows 98 being better then windows milenium. What if Cameron is really a pre T-800 model? That's possible right? As far as I'm concerned that's a fantastic idea Kit. (Welcome to the boards). It would explain why when she's scanned she's an Unknown Cyborg. Perhaps once a machine is sufficiently Obsolete then Skynet doesn't consider worthy of Programming other units with that information.
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Post by t101 on Jul 14, 2008 16:20:04 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I agree that she's withholding a few somethings. I'm sure John sent her back with a larger agenda than just protecting him. And lying to Sarah and John was no doubt approved by future!John, who could see the bigger picture. Who knows. Future John is a mystery and his relationship to Cameron is a mystery, he certainly seemed to trust her a lot from what we saw. She could also lie for more simple reasons, maybe she though telling Sarah scary stories about what she's done in the future would only antagonize her more so she keeps quiet. Cameron's memories have to be somewhere in there, I don't think they'd pass up such a chance, we'll get her story sometime. Maybe since scrubbing their memories is closely linked to reprogramming them, she'll remember them now that she's gone haywire. I think it's about all of it. It's not an accident that Sarah's speech is matched to Cameron's dancing. I don't think it's meant to scream, "Hey. She's just like us!" But certainly it should make us think about where the line is. She's actually not replicating any dance that she ever saw in the episode, she's matching the moves to the music in a unique way. Hey what if Cameron isn't really that advanced? You know, the TOK715 could stand for T-715. Sometimes older versions of things work better, like windows 98 being better then windows milenium. What if Cameron is really a pre T-800 model? That's possible right? Probably not. I think she's the most advanced infiltrator in terms of what she can learn.
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Post by t101 on Jul 14, 2008 16:25:12 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned that's a fantastic idea Kit. (Welcome to the boards). It would explain why when she's scanned she's an Unknown Cyborg. Perhaps once a machine is sufficiently Obsolete then Skynet doesn't consider worthy of Programming other units with that information I thought it was mentioned somewhere that the reason she's an 'unknown cyborg' is because simply the Terminators do not have x-ray vision and Vick just had no way of identifying her. Besides if she'd be a newer cyborg it would fit better. Because the older ones operating out there wouldn't be updated with newer knowledge.
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Post by rossbondreturns on Jul 14, 2008 17:45:21 GMT -5
Unless John programmed her with said knowledge.
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Post by kit on Jul 14, 2008 20:41:18 GMT -5
Maybe not, listen skynet is always looking for improvement right? That means it probably has tons of prototypes made and even tested for battle or infiltration. Maybe Cameron is like the T-1000, a prototype built then sent for a certain mission who was unable to succeed and therefore discarded by skynet who moved on to new projects; that is of course assuming she failed since John Connor got his hands on her and reprogrammed her.
You say she must be the most advanced model because of her learning skills, but maybe that ability was being tested on Cameron's model and since it didn't work out skynet simply reverted to the older programing and started searching for new ways of improvement, like the Polly alloy used on the T-1000 and redone on the T-X.
PS: thanks for the welcome rossbondreturns!
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Post by rossbondreturns on Jul 14, 2008 20:59:02 GMT -5
You're more than welcome and I like your way of thinking simply because it goes against the logical norm. And is the sort of thinking that Cameron encouraged me to have as things went forward.
By Cameron I mean James Cameron and not our friendly Cyborg Protector/Killer.
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Post by kit on Jul 14, 2008 21:21:59 GMT -5
Yes, well James Cameron sure is all about thinking outside of the box!
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Post by vicheron on Jul 15, 2008 3:23:00 GMT -5
There may not be as big of a difference between different models as we think. Our computers are built in such a way that new components can be added and old components can be replaced. Terminators may be designed with a lot of room for upgrades so that they never become obsolete. The T-888 isn't that much different than the T-800, it may actually be possible to upgrade a T-800 into a T-888. For all we know, a T-600 can be upgraded into a T-800. Cameron may actually just be a T-800 or a T-888 with some modifications.
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Post by kit on Jul 15, 2008 19:14:41 GMT -5
That's possible. I just don't know about the T-600 part cause that would require upgrades on the outside too cause they have ruber skin.
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Post by vicheron on Jul 15, 2008 21:16:20 GMT -5
That depends on how far Skynet thought ahead. If Skynet had already planned to make T-800 infiltrators when it made the T-600's then it's possible that it designed T-600's to be upgradeable with human flesh. It's kind of like gaming companies making games for consoles or graphics cards that haven't even come out yet. I would agree with you that Cameron can be an older model Terminator, but with some major modifications.
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Post by displacedhokie on Jul 29, 2008 14:59:37 GMT -5
First post, so Hi. To me, it's unlikely that Cam is an older model as all things tech get smaller and stronger as they progress. Thus, Cam is pretty advanced and I'd say above the T888. She's likely the most advanced "regular" terminator/infiltrator. I say "regular" as the T1000 is out there, but it was a prototype and had it's own limitations and problems. It was a one-off that was destroyed, so it's out of the mix. There is alway the possiblity that John developed/cobbled together Cam, but that doesn't make sense as we saw the factory that Cam was built in. We're assuming that was a Skynet factory, not a Resistance factory. But that could be the twist. We can disregard the T-X since T3 is not part of this world. Pat
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Post by allergygal on Jul 29, 2008 17:18:57 GMT -5
There is alway the possiblity that John developed/cobbled together Cam, but that doesn't make sense as we saw the factory that Cam was built in. We're assuming that was a Skynet factory, not a Resistance factory. But that could be the twist. Welcome! I believe Cameron is Skynet-built because if the factory she was made in was owned by the resistance, that obviously bad T-888 wouldn't have been stockpiling coltan there. So it had to be Skynet-run, in which case if Cameron is telling the truth about having been made there, she was made by Skynet, captured at some point and reprogrammed by the resistance (probably John himself).
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Post by terminatornerd on Aug 17, 2008 17:24:05 GMT -5
Or...
If you saw the latest promo it shows a brief, and I do mean brief, shot of someone looking a lot like Cameron running out of a building and out into the rubble in the future like a HUMAN, and not like a cyborg.
Could be a glimpse of Episode 4 that explores some of Cameron's backstory. Perhaps some of the speculation that cyborg Cameron was perhaps modeled after a real live person is correct. One reason why John likes this particular female Terminator so much?
Could one reason that some Terminators seem to start taking on human curiousity and emotions be because Skynet, in its efforts to create better and better infiltrators, is using deep scans and patterns of real live human test subjects? Then the human part on the subconcious level starts to bubble to the surface causing conflict with the Skynet programming?
They kept talking about in the Future sequences Skynet building a secret weapon. Maybe, and this is wild speculation on my part, the HUMAN Cameron was a top tech-wiz like John and either was captured to help Skynet build this weapon or was a turn coat (the reason she would strike a Faustian bargain: simply the promise that she could attain immortality inside a machine body with the help of Skynet and let Skynet use her as a guinea pig to create the ultimate terminator copies ever concieved) and then had a change of heart as to what she was doing.
Either one of the prototype machine copies escaped with a far more human level of programming and with the human Cameron's memories intact, or the real Cameron escaped and found John. If it was the human version then perhaps she dies of her injuries and John comes across a copy of her as a Terminator and can't bring himself to see her destroyed.
Too many possibilities! Season 2 can't come soon enough!
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Post by Deep Art Frummy on Aug 17, 2008 17:36:12 GMT -5
I'm loving all the theories I've read in here, haha.
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Post by vicheron on Aug 18, 2008 2:02:47 GMT -5
I hope that John doesn't have an emotional attachment to Cameron simply because she's based on a human. Skynet will no doubt base many of its Terminators on captured Resistance fighters and the Resistance can't afford to have their feelings get in the way of their mission. Then there's the model 101, John will no doubt have to face many 101's and he can't let his experience with Uncle Bob prevent him from doing what needs to be done.
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