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Post by t101 on Aug 18, 2008 2:13:38 GMT -5
Well, he doesn't know her origins and he seems already to be attached to her.
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Post by vicheron on Aug 18, 2008 5:10:31 GMT -5
True, but John is still a petulant little brat. If he is to lead the human race against the machines then he will have to resist all of Skynet's tricks.
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Post by Ronnie on Aug 22, 2008 14:32:04 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned that's a fantastic idea Kit. (Welcome to the boards). It would explain why when she's scanned she's an Unknown Cyborg. Perhaps once a machine is sufficiently Obsolete then Skynet doesn't consider worthy of Programming other units with that information I thought it was mentioned somewhere that the reason she's an 'unknown cyborg' is because simply the Terminators do not have x-ray vision and Vick just had no way of identifying her. Besides if she'd be a newer cyborg it would fit better. Because the older ones operating out there wouldn't be updated with newer knowledge. Well when Cameron is scanned by Vick, you can clearly see the Endoskeleton face/possibly shoulders when they fall out of the Safehouse into the alley. That implies some sort of X-Ray vision. Other times when Cameron has scanned another Terminator, such as in Heavy Metal where she scans Carter, all she 'sees' is different points in his frame, and thus compares his size to Cromartie. Not sure if she can see 'through' Terminators or not. In the Pilot, one would expect Cameron and Cromartie to recognize each other right away. Vick DID show a glimpse of X-ray, however.
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Post by t101 on Aug 22, 2008 14:39:14 GMT -5
^ I'll just ignore it as a mistake then, I doubt we were meat to abuse the pause button to see if Vick saw the endo-skeleton. Because then the school scene in the pilot makes no sense.
Maybe it's not an x-ray. Maybe by analyzing her outside shape, the same way Cameron does to Carter, it was able to construct the probable shape of her skeleton.
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Post by jen22 on Aug 22, 2008 14:56:48 GMT -5
To me it does imply some kind of X-Ray vision when you can see through the surface just to see what's underneath. And Vick saw through Cameron's 'human' tissue and it showed the endo-sceleton. We saw it through Vick's eyes after all.
Maybe it's something that Cameron can't do anymore. She sees differently than your average Skynet Terminator. The bad ones 'normal' vision is always red. They can't see like us humans. Whatever task they do (watching, heat scans, etc.) their vision never changes. It stays red.
If you pay attention then you notice that Cameron is far more advanced in that area. She can see like we do. That implies far more adavanced technology. Since I always thought that Terminators can't see like us because our sight is much more complex and we see the way we do because of how our brain works with the imformation it gets from our eyes. And they don't neccessarily have eyes/brain like we do.
But since the Pilot you could see that Cameron has 'human' vision. And it's her normal vision. She can do the scanning and other things like we saw in 1.07 I think when they were looking for Barber's body in the woods. But always when they show something through Cameron's eyes she sees the world around her like we do.
And maybe because of the more complex vision she has she can't do the x-ray anymore. There certainly have been enough situations where she needed to use it if she had it. Like seeing the safe wired to the power lines or the bomb in the car.
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Post by t101 on Aug 22, 2008 15:01:04 GMT -5
And yet the school scene still makes no sense to me. There is no sign that Cromartie recognized her, and he's the same model as Vick. So I'm ignoring it until there is more evidence of x-ray vision. Besides it's more fun if Terminators can't tell each other with a glance.
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Post by jen22 on Aug 22, 2008 15:11:14 GMT -5
Why does it make no sense to you?
To me the x-ray vision is something they have to 'turn on', as we saw with Vick. It's not part of their normal vision. And there was no reason for Chromartie to turn it on in a class room full of what appeared to be teenagers. Cameron certainly didn't act in a way that would tell Chromartie 'hey Terminator over here'.
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Post by t101 on Aug 22, 2008 15:17:59 GMT -5
Because a machine is supposed to be perfectly thorough, computer like thorough, meaning if it can it will examine and prepare for every eventuality. It's not a person to simply forget, or not bother to do it.
The only possible reason I can see for Cromartie not scanning everyone he meets is if there is something that gives him away. Like the Terminator eyes shining through, but this is fanwank.
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Post by jen22 on Aug 22, 2008 15:31:18 GMT -5
Yes a machine is supposed to be thorough. But a machine is first and foremost a difference engine. It will 'look' at a situation/object/person/etc. and do the math. That's what computers do.
So Chromartie walked in, he looked around the whole room and then did the math. And he saw no indication of anything that was a possible thread to his mission or required a more thorough 'investigation'. That's math right there.
The total opposite of the situation was at the bank. He deliberately stopped and scanned the weapons of the police squad to determine whether or not they were a thread to him. But that was because he looked at the situation and it needed further clarification so he did the math, so to speak.
I don't know. To me it's all perfectly clear. I don't know how else to explain it really.
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Post by t101 on Aug 22, 2008 15:45:00 GMT -5
I get your explanation, I'm just not buyong it. If it only takes a second, he would scan everyone he meets.
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Post by vicheron on Aug 22, 2008 20:45:37 GMT -5
The Terminator's X-ray vision probably actually uses some sort of radiation, which could be detectable by other Terminators so when a Terminator scans something with its X-ray vision, it could potentially give away the fact that it is a Terminator.
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