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Post by Alexis on Apr 12, 2009 21:50:56 GMT -5
That's it.
Here you can start speculating about what kind of developments you're expecting to see for the third season, taking into account all the exciting possibilities left opened by that awesome season finale. _____________________________ These are just some random thoughts I posted on the producers blog and I wanted to share with you, just to give you some material to start discussing and know what you think. Assuming that Cameron’s “personality” is still there, inside the Turk, I can imagine Sarah, Ellison and Mr. Murch trying to make Cameron operational again by connecting her body to the Turk and recieving new instructions/explanations from her and, eventually, some of them using the time-machine to go after John.
I can imagine Kyle telling John he’s been waiting for him all along, because his mother came to him and prepared him [Kyle] for years to be the leader of the resistance till her son’s arrival. [It would be really comforting to know that Sarah ended up being the Alma Matter of the Resistance after all].
I can imagine Derek distrusting John and questioning his brother’s blind faith in this kinda "Messiah" that came out from no-where - And even Kyle’s eventual decision to transfer his command to John.
I can imagine Jesse showing up again and instigating Derek to start a rebel faction.
I can imagine Alison and John, and the ghost of Cameron between them. Maybe more than the ghost of Cameron. Maybe Kyle or even Derek.
I can imagine Lauren Fields helping John and [why not?] an eventual rivalry between Fields and Young.
I can imagine Alison and a repaired and time-traveled Cameron, face to face.
I can imagine Derek and Kyle’s reaction discovering John’s trying to make alliances with machines like Weaver and JH, and turning against John by believing he’s betrayed the Resistance and Alison being the only one who believes in him (or not).
I can imagine Sarah’s return (and redemption) working along with Ellison, Murch and a possible reactivated (but limited by being plugged to the Turk) Cameron - And I can imagine them teaming up with Danny, Miles Dyson’s son grown up and prepared to fight the machines.
And last, but not least, I can perfectly imagine Mr. Murch using his knowledge to repair Cameron's body just like he had presumably done with Cromartie's body. Then, Sarah might have the brilliant idea of using Carter's chip [The Terminator trapped inside the nuclear bunker - Heavy Metal] to reload Cameron's "conscience/personality" from the Turk to this new chip, just like JH did with Cameron's chip, and that way she could get unplugged and go after John. [All this based on the assumption that John was wrong by believing JH took Cameron's "conscience/personality" when he took her chip - personally, I think it would work better if Cameron's "conscience/personality" was stuck into the Turk, because that way Cam and Sarah could work together until they find the way to rescue John or something like that]. Well, that's all I have to say (by now) Come on, guys! We must have faith in a third season, so... What are you waiting for? While you keep voting for TSCC to be saved in the E!Online Save One Show, you can start thinking how awesome a 3rd season could potentially be with the great material we have from the season finale. Ok, no more digressions. Let's start with the speculation now!
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Post by VALIANT CHAMPION on Apr 14, 2009 23:19:28 GMT -5
On Allison and Cameron
I have accepted that Cameron is stuck in the Turk machine and not integrated with John Henry. So it is possible with Weaver's scientist assistance to hook the cable to the back of Cameron's head and power her endo up so that it can regenerate it's tissue. His limited experience in repairing the Comraterie endo could come in handy to fix Cameron's up some.
Two alternative pathways with Allison. One is that John will only get to know her enough to understand where Cameron's split personality came from. This could help him understand Cameron a little more. In which Catherines and John's stay in the future may be a short one once John Henry is found.
The other alternate storyline may be that because John realizes what will happen to Allison in the future he decides to bring her back in time with him. Countering this of course may be Catherine's heavy hand in trying to prevent him from altering the timeline more than it has already been altered.
I have to say Cameron is the most beautiful character but her persona has evolved into something altogether explosive. On one hand you want the fighting machine that gets shot up and shoots stuff up... On the other hand some want to see her get closer to John in the emotional sense.
Somethings gotta give. If Allison comes into the series that opens up the possiblity of deeper emotional attachment. We accept this as John seeing in Allison a part of Cameron due to the split personality John originally saw in Cameron that came from Allison.
Maybe we will end up having Allison as John's mortal girlfriend while Weaver and John Henry take over as bodyguard.
Could a chip be reformatted so that Cameron's AI can be downloaded onto a new chip? Apparently they can as John Henry's was put into Cameron's chip. Unless of course there is still a Cameron in the chip beside John Henry.
If you recall John Henry and Weaver were examining a chip that had a phosphorous coating on it and they were dicussing how to recover information off of it. Could Weaver's scientist find a way to transfer Cameron/turk onto that chip?
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Post by allergygal on Apr 29, 2009 1:37:42 GMT -5
John can't have all the cool people with him in the future, so someone's got to go back to 2009 and hang out with Sarah. It would be downright cruel to leave her with just Ellison. My first thought was that it would be Derek to go back to 2009. I figured the trio of Kyle, John and Allison make for a great bizarro version of Sarah, John and Cameron. And John and Derek have already had plenty of time together. So maybe Derek and some red shirt team would get sent on a mission to fight Kaliba and he'd run into Sarah. He wouldn't know her and even though he's not the quite the same Derek, she probably wouldn't trust him much. So it wouldn't take long for the same tense relationship to take hold. K8tie, however, thinks Kyle is going to get sent back. I was resistant to that idea at first. It's kind of weird to think of Sarah and Kyle actually being together outside of her head, especially since he won't know her. Also, I was kind of sold on my idea of Derek coming back. But then I found out that Derek's the one leading the resistance ( Brian Austin Green says so in a Skynext podcast interview). Well that changes things quite a bit and I think I'm on board now with the idea of Kyle coming back. If Derek's running the resistance, he obviously can't leave. But if he has an important time travel mission, Kyle is probably the only one he'd trust to do it. Maybe Kyle even volunteers (like original Kyle did), so that in this future, Derek lets his little brother go on a on-way mission to help save mankind instead of losing him to the machines for several years when they were young. And that also sort of fills in the story of bizarro future. Instead of John leading the resistance and sending Kyle back to 1984 to protect Sarah, Derek is leading the resistance and sends Kyle back to 2009 to do something (stop Kaliba?), which will result in him meeting Sarah. Or something like that.
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Post by schmacky on Apr 29, 2009 5:47:53 GMT -5
AG & K8ie.. if that happened that would be such dangerous waters. Who knows how people would react to that... I personally would flippin' love it. If that did happen, I know the writers are smart enough to make it work.
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Post by vicheron on Apr 29, 2009 12:23:08 GMT -5
Skynet should be winning the war in this future so there would be no reason for it to develop the time machine. Weaver and John Henry should be the only two people who know how to build a time machine.
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Post by littleb on Apr 29, 2009 14:21:44 GMT -5
John can't have all the cool people with him in the future, so someone's got to go back to 2009 and hang out with Sarah. It would be downright cruel to leave her with just Ellison. They better bloody not or it's angry letter time! What I would love to see is Sarah turning to Ellison (who's all expectant and giddy and looking forward to playing out his awesome role in saving the world) and telling him to sod off. I would pay good money to see that. I think practicalities of budget would see the future story being quite brief and it's far more fun if they all play on the same team together so I could see a reunion within a few episodes. I could live with that. Derek and Sarah are a great odd couple and it would be fabulous to see an alt.Derek having to start from scratch with Sarah and having no clue why exactly she has such a problem with him. Sexual tension you can cut with a knife is also good. I dunno, I think it worked so beautifully in The Good Wound it'd be a shame to mess with that. I can't get my head around the time-dimension thing and screwing the future, but I reckon if they wanted to send Kyle back for real, they'd have done it in TGW but they chose the imaginary option instead. Maybe the paths converge in the search for Danny Dyson. Sarah'll be heading that way. If she told John about it before he went all stupid, he might pass that on to his new buddies and they send a team back to hunt Kaliba/Dyson down. Or something craps up in their future, Skynet wins and they realise the only way to stop it is to ALL jump back to 2009 and hunt down Kaliba/Dyson. Instant reset and Sarah can give John that clip round the ear that he deserves
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Post by timstuff on Apr 29, 2009 15:45:28 GMT -5
I just thought of something... What if Season 3 begins having established John Connor has integrated into the Reeses' unit and is searching for Cameron's chip, and by the time it ends he's back in 2009, about a month after he left? The next several episodes could contain flashbacks detailing what lead up to him getting Cameron's chip back. I dunno, it might be a bit of a cheap way to go, but it'd at least solve the problem of the main cast being broken up without losing the casual audience's patience... I'm not sure though, because it's a very fine line to walk. On the one hand, there's a ton of interesting stories they could tell with John in 2027, and it'd keep the audience on the edge of their seats waiting to see if he makes it. But on the other hand, if we have to wait until episode 8 (or even 4) to see him back with Sarah and Cameron, it's going to drive some people nuts with impatience...
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Post by JET_Fusion on Apr 29, 2009 23:27:08 GMT -5
In Season 3 I'd like to see John's time spent in the future kept short, certainly less than half a season. Then, travel back to shortly after he originally left. During his time in the future he actually doesn't fit in with the Reese's but he and Allison do form some sort of connection (mentally). I'd also like to see John spending suspicious time away from the Reese group which aids to the tension and John's not fitting in. John spends time with Weaver looking for John Henry. Ultimately, though, John finds out that Cameron is still back in the time he left. Weaver ultimately finds out that John can only become the great leader if he prepares before and lives though judgment day. The twist is, given the radical change in events in this future, the TDE will only allow John to go through from some reason. Cameron is the only thing I'm not sure about. Should Sarah save the Turk and John has to re-create or re-load Cameron. Or should another Cameron get sent back from a time further in the future, sent by Weaver.
I'm not keen on Kyle being sent back to spend more real time with Sarah; sure it may make for creative writing, but it's just not for me. If what has been speculated here is true-Derek being the new leader-then Derek should not go back. Allison is only good if she's with John, I don't like the idea of Allison and Cameron in the same past. I don't want to see anyone else sent back until John goes back.
I would like to have John see things or find things that he recognizes as being from Sarah.
---JET_Fusion
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Post by allergygal on Apr 30, 2009 2:02:21 GMT -5
I'm not keen on Kyle being sent back to spend more real time with Sarah; sure it may make for creative writing, but it's just not for me. Just the idea of Sarah and Kyle together makes me weak. It wouldn't exactly be a reunion, though, and that's what would make it so good. He wouldn't know her and he'd probably be a little different than the Kyle she knew. So much potential there. In T1, Kyle already loved Sarah. This time, Sarah would already love Kyle. And she's a badass warrior now, not some foofy chick who doesn't know how to hold a gun. 2009 is Sarah's battlefield and she knows the territory and knows the enemy. Some very cool role reversal with a side of angsty goodness... what's not to love about that? I vote YES on Kyle jumping to 2009 I'd like that a lot too. I think the only way to keep the stories intertwined is to have crossover information like that. John can learn things in that future about what his mom did after he jumped away and if Kyle (or anyone) comes back they might mention this John Connor kid they met and Sarah could find out a little about how John was doing.
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Post by schmacky on Apr 30, 2009 3:41:24 GMT -5
Just the idea of Sarah and Kyle together makes me weak. It wouldn't exactly be a reunion, though, and that's what would make it so good. He wouldn't know her and he'd probably be a little different than the Kyle she knew. So much potential there. In T1, Kyle already loved Sarah. This time, Sarah would already love Kyle. And she's a badass warrior now, not some foofy chick who doesn't know how to hold a gun. 2009 is Sarah's battlefield and she knows the territory and knows the enemy. Some very cool role reversal with a side of angsty goodness... what's not to love about that? I vote YES on Kyle jumping to 2009 I second that motion! We all know that's what Josh wanted to do originally until people pulled him out of that idea. And that was a good choice at the time. Brand new show, who knows what people would expect. But now? I wouldn't be all that surprised if we did see more of Kyle. Now that SCC has it's own ground and created it's own world and rules.. now would be a good time to bring Kyle back "from the dead."
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Post by allergygal on Apr 30, 2009 4:25:53 GMT -5
I second that motion! We all know that's what Josh wanted to do originally until people pulled him out of that idea. And that was a good choice at the time. Brand new show, who knows what people would expect. But now? I wouldn't be all that surprised if we did see more of Kyle. Now that SCC has it's own ground and created it's own world and rules.. now would be a good time to bring Kyle back "from the dead." That might explain why Derek got pulled away from Sarah this season. They snipped at each other a few times, but he was so busy with Jesse that we never recaptured the awesome tension between Sarah and Derek from season 1. Maybe that was to pave the way for Kyle. Lure Derek away and send Sarah into 3-dots craziness. Then she gets a Good Wound visit from imaginary Kyle to remind us of how important he is to her. Next season, Sarah heads deeper into the crazy because John's gone, then real Kyle appears.
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Post by t101 on Apr 30, 2009 5:10:16 GMT -5
I still can't stomach the idea of Kyle in the present...
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Post by timstuff on Apr 30, 2009 6:10:05 GMT -5
Yeah, I vote to let Kyle remain dead.
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Post by allergygal on Apr 30, 2009 11:52:38 GMT -5
You guys are no fun.
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Post by schmacky on Apr 30, 2009 12:37:50 GMT -5
I still can't stomach the idea of Kyle in the present... Why? At this point, what's the difference between Kyle being in the present and Derek being in the present? They both died in the present already.. but if they brought back Derek and you are OK with it, why not Kyle? This finally opens up the possibility of Kyle being in the present that makes sense (making sense in the realm of this universe)
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