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Post by Derek Reese on Jul 12, 2008 18:12:31 GMT -5
I just keep in mind, that they rolled back Cameron in the pilot. Honestly, don't have any idea where or how far they may go with Cam, but I'm with you, Vic. Think the true Terminator mind should pretty much dominate in the long run.
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Post by sandrinha on Jul 13, 2008 14:11:37 GMT -5
I don't think we are ready to have a Terminator that's too human yet. It's years away i'de say but that doesn't mean that, that is not the ultimate goal. To create super beings, human on the inside and steel on the outside.
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Post by Derek Reese on Jul 13, 2008 14:43:43 GMT -5
Their getting closer. The pilot was proof enough of that, but the writers had to roll back the character within the second episode.
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Post by sandrinha on Jul 13, 2008 15:26:19 GMT -5
Their getting closer. The pilot was proof enough of that, but the writers had to roll back the character within the second episode. Maybe the pilot was sort of a prologue to what is to come. Kinda like we know that Cam can blend in like that very well, but will take time to get there. The roll back wouldn't bother me so much if they had not done a 360 on her but i remain positive ;D.
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Post by t101 on Jul 13, 2008 16:44:23 GMT -5
I thought the change from the pilot was the right thing. She was too human. Also, I thought apart from the first few scenes in school she was not that human, even within the pilot, as some people were saying. Like those scenes were specially designed for John but no acting like a real girl all around.
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Post by Derek Reese on Jul 15, 2008 2:14:10 GMT -5
She definitely came off as way too real early on. It worked in regards to John, but the writers did the right thing by stepping her back a bit.
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Post by driftlight23 on Aug 12, 2008 21:03:01 GMT -5
I hope this is the right place for this. Hope it's not too big. As usual, feel free to move if not. I was messing around with GIMP earlier with a screenshot of Vick's scan of 'unknown cyborg' and kind of stumbled across this in a 'Turin Shroud' moment. Not sure if anyone else has already done this but... That's what's under the skin, folks. Of course, I still think she's gorgeous. ;D
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Post by Derek Reese on Aug 12, 2008 21:05:13 GMT -5
Karma for that one!
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Post by driftlight23 on Aug 12, 2008 21:08:38 GMT -5
I admit, my jaw did drop slightly when it appeared on the monitor. But we all know what Cameron is, we just love Summer so very, very much... Heh.
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Post by Derek Reese on Aug 12, 2008 21:27:41 GMT -5
It looks like she shares a lot of similarities with the prior models of Terminator.
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Post by driftlight23 on Aug 12, 2008 21:29:50 GMT -5
Yeah, although I'm not an endo expert, I can't see much difference in the endo from that angle. So maybe it is all in the chip?
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Post by Derek Reese on Aug 12, 2008 21:33:11 GMT -5
Can't really tell, but there are structural similarities in regards to the head itself.
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Post by driftlight23 on Aug 13, 2008 8:08:53 GMT -5
I think the S1 promo posters of the various components of Cam are reasonably accurate, at least judging by the armour plating on the forearms and the detailing on the head as you say. She appears to be a smaller version of a T-888? But we know the chip is clearly different to a T-888.
The more I look at the picture, the more fascinated I get. I think Cam's skin is incredibly important to her in the sense that without it she loses much of her ability to interact with people and thus her opportunities to learn in that particular way, and also to develop her sense of self compared to those interactions, which is such an important part of what and who she is. You could say that's the true cyborg part, that's the vital organic component.
But equally, that image directly challenges our preconceived ideas and prejudices about both scary robots and human attractiveness - we love Cam - but do we only love Cam when she looks like Summer, or do we love Cam just for who she (to be frank, it) is?
I like that kind of challenge to our notions.
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Post by vicheron on Aug 13, 2008 10:19:00 GMT -5
Cameron is actually very different than the person who plays her so in a way, Summer is similar to a voice actor. It's like how you have certain expectations of an animated character based on the way they're drawn and how their voice sounds but when you actually see the voice actor, the person looks nothing like the character. This is especially true with super heroes, the voice actors who play them generally are not big heavily muscled tough guys as portrayed in animation. Phil Lamarr is a good example, he's a pretty thin guy but he can do a very deep voice so he always plays the toughest and meanest guys in all the animated series and video games he's in.
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Post by traitorsgate on Aug 14, 2008 19:08:10 GMT -5
But equally, that image directly challenges our preconceived ideas and prejudices about both scary robots and human attractiveness - we love Cam - but do we only love Cam when she looks like Summer, or do we love Cam just for who she (to be frank, it) is? This is one of the issues I've had with the series since the start and is often cited by people when drawing attention to the perceived faults of the show. In Hollywood/TV, sex sells, to the point that when it comes to actresses it's arguably the single most important factor on whether or not an actress can go from being used in a small bit part support role to being used to sell a film/series. There's no question that the producers have made liberal use of Summer Glau's sex appeal, be it with the use use of push-up bras and or micro minis. The question is, is this a realistic image of somebody/something that is meant to blend in and remain undetected - hardly. Yes I know teenage girls like to dress up like hookers in training but that's a pretty poor excuse to use to explain why Cameron is always dressed the way she is. When you have an actress like Summer Glau then you have an opportunity to bring a character to life that can go from looking very Plain Jane and dowdy, to being a little sex kitten seemingly without any effort at all. At the moment the producers seem to be relying on the sex kitten formula way to much, no doubt in an effort to hook the young male demographic. The problem is by over playing Summer Glau's looks then it can become trite. If the producers relied more on Glau's ability to look positively ordinary, then when the script genuinely calls for it the transformation from ordinary to sexy becomes far more effective. As it stands at the moment there is a danger that Cameron is at risk of becoming a cliché. I've long held the belief that when characters develop a Shipper following it's a reflection of the fact that while two characters may on the surface look good together there is in fact not much more going on behind the surface veneer. To be fair TSCC as a series is still in it's infancy and consequently the characters are still being developed. Considering what is meant to be at stake with the character in TSCC entertaining thoughts on John/Cameron hook-ups is more than a little ridiculous. If by the end of the second season you still have people entertaining these ideas then that would be a reflection of some very poor writing as it pertains to character development.
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