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Post by vicheron on Sept 11, 2008 17:06:02 GMT -5
It's an homage to the movies. The Terminator's right leg gets damaged in every movie. In T1, the Terminator's right leg gets damaged after he gets run over by the oil tanker and he starts to limp. In T2, Uncle Bob's right leg gets damaged after jumping off of the liquid nitrogen tanker and he starts to limp. In T3, the skin on the T-850's right leg gets burned off completely after he crashes into Crystal Peak in the helicopter but unlike in T1 and T2 he doesn't limp.
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Post by richardstevenhack on Sept 14, 2008 5:52:21 GMT -5
I think my theory that Cameron has become a "self-aware" and "self-programming" Terminator explains a lot of her behavior. She's not learning all this human stuff just to be a better infiltration machine - she's doing it because she can, and because she wants to survive in human society in present time and she wants to be an acceptable companion to John Connor - because that's how she will ensure her survival.
I don't think we're going to see her stay too much physically damaged for more than another episode or two, simply because a lot of guys - including me - want to see an attractive Summer Glau on this show, not the "bride of Frankenstein". Nothing wrong with that - you have to deal with the ratings, no matter what you want to do with the show. So we can assume that Terminators heal up pretty quick - just like the Connors seem to, since a lot of girls want to see an unbloodied Thomas Dekker most of the time and a lot of guys want to see an unbloodied Lena Headey. But I think we can assume the writers and the director will take care of some continuity there - they won't suddenly look totally normal Monday. The promo shots for Tom with Levin show he still has some healing cuts, for example, even if most of his face is healed.
Somebody's going to have to get those staples out of Summer's face somehow, though!
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Post by sandrinha on Sept 14, 2008 14:32:55 GMT -5
Somebody's going to have to get those staples out of Summer's face somehow, though! But she looks HOT with those staples LOL.
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Post by rove3 on Sept 17, 2008 9:38:28 GMT -5
How cool was Cameron hustling pool?
Seriously though, something is definately going on with her - "I'm thinking about what to do." "Since when do you do that?"
Indeed.
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Post by richardstevenhack on Sept 28, 2008 6:33:50 GMT -5
Sure she's thinking about what to do: what's the next move in her plan to seduce John, get Riley out of the picture, deal with Skynet. and somehow survive in the present and the future.
Sarah's question made no sense even if she's ignorant of Cameron's real mission here. Of course, Cameron thinks about what to do! Sarah still thinks Cameron is just a machine that does what it's told. You'd think she'd have figured out by now that even non-self-aware Terminators are scheming all the time. Hopefully episode 3 and Cromartie's brilliant plan to get John will bring that home to her.
All her previous dealings with Terminators have been straight forward hunt-and-kill machines. She said as much in the "Heavy Metal" episode:
Sarah: "I thought these things just hunt and kill people." Cameron: "They do whatever mission they're programmed for."
You'd think the interlude with Terminator Carter would have alerted her to the fact that Terminators are much more than just hunting dogs! She's really being slow on the uptake here.
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Post by vicheron on Sept 28, 2008 6:44:23 GMT -5
Cameron ignored Sarah and continued mopping the floor when Sarah told her that Greenway was a Terminator. When Cameron said, "I'm thinking about what to do," and Sarah asked, "since when do you do that?" Sarah was really asking Cameron why it took her so long to respond. Of course Sarah knows that Cameron can think, she's just never seen Cameron seemingly in a trance and completely ignoring what she was saying.
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Post by richardstevenhack on Sept 28, 2008 21:44:22 GMT -5
I don't know if we should read too much into that scene. To me, it looked like another attempt to make Cameron look glitched without really establishing that it WAS a glitch.
Just like when she turned around after destroying Greenway with that "Terminate" stare and the "Terminate" music and stalked toward Sarah. Sarah kept asking "Are you okay?" - which was the wrong thing to ask! Cameron interpreted that to mean, "Are you okay after Greenway's beating you up?" Whereas Sarah meant, "Are you glitched again and do I need to shoot you?" So Cameron marches up and says, "I'm okay!" - as in "Why are you asking, you moron? Can't you see I'm okay?"
Since Josh has established that Cameron has glitches, he's going to play with us for the next several episodes. Nothing is necessarily what it seems. Some of it will be used to set up other aspects, some of it will be insignificant, just meant to confuse us and heighten the tension every time Cameron does something unusual.
Look at the comic moment about the house moving. Seeing Cameron frozen in place like that, you immediately assume, "Oh, wow, she's gone off again!" In reality, it was nothing. Just some stupid Terminator programming obsession. Was it a glitch? Maybe, maybe not. We just don't know.
And that's how Josh wants it.
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Post by richardstevenhack on Sept 28, 2008 21:49:26 GMT -5
Oh, I forgot to say. When Cameron ignored Sarah and kept mopping the floor, I think she was in a "maxed out CPU" state, which is why she said, "I was thinking about what to do." She was maxing out her CPU doing strategic analysis, which she established in "Vic's Chip" is a "higher level function" requiring more power, and mopping the floor in "background mode". ;D ;D ;D
Sort of like when Terminator Carter was powered down in the bunker - except Cameron wasn't in hibernation, she was the opposite - maxed out CPU.
No reason she can't have that problem. Everybody's PC freezes sometimes for that reason. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by vicheron on Sept 28, 2008 21:52:46 GMT -5
But she was still mopping the floor. Coordinating physical actions takes up processing power.
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Post by richardstevenhack on Sept 30, 2008 5:41:14 GMT -5
No, physical actions take up lower level functions. She was maxing out her CPU on her higher level functions. In fact, just like humans can walk and chew gum at the same time, or to be more precise, move various brain functions on more or less automatic pilot, Cameron could probably just shift her physical movements into other processors that control other parts of her functionality while reserving her CPU for more important things.
For instance, on some network interface cards these days, you can offload things on to those cards that used to have to be done by the CPU - such as encryption. So "mopping the floor" was offloaded from her CPU onto some other processor, while her main chip was maxed out doing strategic analysis.
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Post by k8ie on Oct 7, 2008 15:09:20 GMT -5
From the "Goodbye To All That" discussion, regarding Cameron: Not buying that one bit. For one, so he what, cleaned her chip and she was ok? I think Allison from Palmdale demonstrates that Cameron is categorically "not okay." Actually, IIRC, what we're told is that Catherine Weaver is looking for a computer that can a make a choice, which is different.
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Post by t101 on Oct 7, 2008 15:48:46 GMT -5
Actually, IIRC, what we're told is that Catherine Weaver is looking for a computer that can a make a choice, which is different. Different how? You mean she may be wrong? She isn't, she's only trying to make sure things happen the way we already know they do. Her point is about AI, it has meaning withing the terminator universe. Machines in Terminator are capable of free will as is obvious from the very premise of the story. Besides, it's her explanation for why the turk is so valuable. Her speech is about the turk and AI.
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Post by k8ie on Oct 7, 2008 20:53:52 GMT -5
Skynet is capable of deciding to wipe out its human masters - that doesn't necessarily mean Skynet extends that ability to its minions.
And right now, the Turk's just a chess computer. It's the Turk's potential everyone is interested in. Not the actuality.
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Post by Deep Art Frummy on Oct 7, 2008 21:43:07 GMT -5
I don't know if it's just me... but as much as I like Summer... I just don't have the same feeling about Cameron this season. Now, this isn't Summer's fault as I obviously have an obsession with her (ha), but the Cameron character itself is actually kinda making me mad. I just don't like her attitude this season and part of me just wants to rip her chip out myself. Is the show setting it up that way? Are we supposed to really dislike her right now?
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This is Cam. She's trained for an Off-World kick murder squad. Talk about Beauty and the Beast.
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Post by traitorsgate on Oct 7, 2008 22:40:41 GMT -5
Look this going to sound just a tad jaded & cynical but the main thing that has changed between the two seasons aside from the obvious dodgy chip/self awareness arc is that the novelty of having a young woman playing a teenage girl Bot has worn off to a large extent. There's simply no denying the fact that a large part of the appeal of the series to young males was the Summer Glau factor. A brief skim over various boards and the type of threads that are constantly posted (with monotoneous regularity) proves this. Now like all infatuations the one with Cameron has faded, as is to be expected. All your seeing now is the character of Cameron more clearly without the distraction of some teenage boy fantasy about Lovebots clouding the picture.
If you go back to the first series and watch again you'll clearly see that Cameron for whatever reason has always had something akin to a hidden agenda, it's not something that the writers have suddenly thrown into the last few episodes, it's been there from the start.
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