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Post by vicheron on Mar 14, 2009 16:39:00 GMT -5
But that makes the Resistance seem dumb when you think about it. When it was revealed that reprogrammed Terminator can turn bad, pretty much everyone who watches the show thought that it was because the Terminators were reverting to their Skynet programming. But wouldn't that also be the first thing the Resistance thought of? Wouldn't that be the first thing they'd check for in a turncoat Terminator? The fact that Cameron said that she didn't know why reprogrammed Terminators turn bad instead of saying that it's because they revert to their original programming suggests that the Resistance actually ruled that possibly out. Otherwise, it would be pretty stupid for them not to think that.
In the case of Cameron, reverting to her original programming seems too easy, not to mention cliché. Also, having Cameron remember what she did before she was reprogrammed is quite a bit different from having her revert to her original programming. We know that she remembers what happened with Allison Young but does she remember what she was programmed to do at that time? Having her remember things with her new programming would allow her to look at her past actions in a different perspective. It's kind of like how people with certain mental illnesses can remember what they did during a manic or depressive episode but they can't remember why they did it because they no longer feel the kinds of emotions they did during those times.
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Post by samuel95 on Mar 14, 2009 23:09:23 GMT -5
My supposition is based on looking through Cameron's point of view immediately after stupidJohn put her chip back in. She identified John and had a big red Terminate on the screen. I'm not sure how that response could be learned or reasoned through AI, since it just popped into place immediately. In the future, after saving Derek, she said they don't know why they go bad. They may know what or how they go bad without the reason behind it.
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Post by VALIANT CHAMPION on Mar 14, 2009 23:50:49 GMT -5
I think she got fixed after being pinned between those two vehicles. The concussion was nearly as powerful as the Jeep explosion. It could have straightened her out. John didn't really do anything to fix the chip. How would he?
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Post by timstuff on Mar 16, 2009 13:11:03 GMT -5
I read something at the TSCC wiki today that got me thinking. What if there are future and young versions of Cameron, much like there are future and young versions of John? Think of it this way: in the present time line, it's looking like John is probably going to spend the next 20 years of his life with Cameron at his side. That is a VERY long time to be with someone, so unless Cameron is taken out of the picture some time before then, they will likely be very close in the future. So what happens when Future-John discovers the freshly manufactured version of Cameron (Young-Cameron) in the future? If he's still got the Cameron from the current timeline with him (who will by then be Future-Cameron), then the logical course of action would be to send Young-Cameron back in time to be with Young-John. It's entirely possible that Young-Cameron was not actually as close to John as she describes, but Future-Cameron was, and she witnessed it. This means that when Young-Cameron says things (paraphrased) like "In the future, we talk a lot," she could be referring to the future version of herself. Young-Cameron got to witness the loyal bond that existed between their future selves, and knows that it's her destiny to be John's primary confidant, which is why she is constantly trying to bring Young-John closer to her. She's seen her own future, and is doing her best to fulfill it. By sending Young-Cameron back in time to be with Young-John, it effectively completes the circuit in time, just like with Kyle Reese becoming John's father. The only alternative is for Cameron to die before Future John meets Young-Cameron, or else you end up jumping with the extremely sharky "eternal Cameron" scenario. And let's face it, killing Cameron would make a lot of fans very sad (including me.)
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Post by VALIANT CHAMPION on Mar 16, 2009 18:52:25 GMT -5
I have a feeling that the Cameron terminator will be disabled in some fashion.
If this scenario comes to pass, What you would see though is a fresh Cameron (possibly more advanced) sent back or the real Allison young being sent back to protect her from being kidnapped in the future. So Summer's role in the series would be continued.
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Post by timstuff on Mar 16, 2009 19:06:46 GMT -5
Killing off Cameron but keeping Summer Glau in the cast through a different character would piss off a lot of fans, and it would honestly be a cop-out solely for the sake of shock value. People like CAMERON, and if they kill her off and replace her with a new character played by the same actress, the audience isn't going to accept it. And if she were replaced with a time-travelling Allison Young, that would truly be the ultimate cop-out because it's basically saying "We understand that people want to see John and Cameron together, but we don't have the balls to make a human and a robot hook up so we'll just replace Cameron with an identical looking human."
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Post by terrasj on Mar 16, 2009 19:52:50 GMT -5
Interesting speculation TimStuff! And we do know that once you send back someone to the past, it becomes part of the next timeline every new cycle it repeats itself (T800, Kyle, Uncle Bob, Reese, Cameron, etc). I can see where a Young!Cameron would see her older self, much more matured in programming, if a Terminator could be envious of or in admiration of what the role can aspire to. It would make sense she getting sent back to protect Present!John, and begin establishing that 20 year relationship. Not knowing everything the Mature!Cameron knows, just paraphrasing and giving vague examples. (Hey, who knows, maybe Mature!Cameron took Young!Cameron aside, and had a heartfull Terminator to Terminator talk what Young!Cameron's supposed to do and why, and any of the fringe benefits) Much like in 2x18, Sarah's confronting Cameron in the garage, when Cameron replies it's not about herself (Cameron) but about John. Its all about John. So would Present!Cameron's mission be about John, and possibly establishing herself towards becoming the Mature!Cameron. I'm totally subscribing to this theory, as it goes so well with what I initially believe universally - take an A.I that has an ability to learn, and it will eventually grow and evolve past it's initial coding over time. (Yes, we all had a big discussion on A.I's emotions, evolving, ascending in Topic: Artificial Intelligence, Transhumanism, and You). So I wonder perhaps if that isn't the Mature!Cameron that we see in the teaser clip that Jesse's talking to... :edit: I also agree about the whole killing off Cameron, replacing her with a reset Cameron, or an Allison Young being a cop-out on one level or another. This show already took a few (good) ballsy moves, allowing Cameron's model to shed tears / cry in which Uncle Bob was incapable of but was able to understand why humans cry. People bought the very advanced T1k in T2, so why stop there? Lets keep Present!Cameron going forward.
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Post by timstuff on Mar 25, 2009 14:40:57 GMT -5
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Post by vicheron on Mar 25, 2009 15:10:31 GMT -5
I'm not sure if Cameron actually has a bomb in her head. I can just imagine when they push the button the watch to try to kill Cameron but nothing happens and then Cameron does the little T-1000 finger wag.
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Post by schmacky on Mar 25, 2009 15:34:20 GMT -5
Haha! That's too funny!
I understood all the words except what does he say right before Sarah Connor?
Funny funny song
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Post by timstuff on Mar 25, 2009 18:06:29 GMT -5
He's saying "Forget Sarah Connor"
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Post by schmacky on Mar 25, 2009 18:14:08 GMT -5
He's saying "Forget Sarah Connor" Thanks. It almost sounded like "funk" and I'm like "how does that make any sense? funk sarah Connor?" lol Apparently I'm deaf hah
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Post by terrasj on Apr 5, 2009 5:56:06 GMT -5
He's saying "Forget Sarah Connor" Thanks. It almost sounded like "funk" and I'm like "how does that make any sense? funk sarah Connor?" lol Apparently I'm deaf hah I had no trouble understanding it. That it does. British accent for one, and also they're singing / pronouncing it with heavy emphasis on the syllables in British accent, where R is a very soft R, often becoming "ah" or "ohh" sounding. They're really singing "foh-get" instead of "for-get". They're also pronouncing Terminator as Termin-atah", and "Connor" as "Connah". And its mainly the lead singer - he's pronouncing it both ways. In simpler passages he does a good job on losing the British accent, but when it gets to the main chorus, its back to the accent. British accent also pronounces words like "Love" as "Lohh-ve" "Louve" , as its a common British expression to say "Love" in place of "Dear". "Don't worry dear" becomes "Don't worry Love" I used to have a British landlord years ago, and it wasn't very tough to pick up on and get used to the accent in her voice. So once you get accustomed to hearing someone talk / talking to in British accent which isn't being sung to notes in a musical style in keeping with the song's tempo, the singing doesn't seem so trivial on the lyrics they're singing.
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Post by tupler on Apr 12, 2009 8:33:51 GMT -5
Hehehe... I can't believe I've never heard this song before! ;D [/url][/quote] Great song. There should be more songs about her. Every nerds' dream. I hope the show does not get cancelled just as things started to get interesting again. Summer is such an amazing actor and has a great name too, always to have Summer would be great. But I would wish it was not about some rubbleland much if it continues, different times maybe. And definitely there should be more Cameron/Allison. I want to see little robobabies. The best episodes so far: Samson and Delilah What He Beheld Pilot Born to Run (was hoping to hear the song in the episode but probably the director thought that would be too obvious.) Adam Raised a Cain Here's a poem I just wrote (am not saying I'm good at it), Oh Cameron. Cameron you walk so graciously, you walk so fine. But Cameron your eyes look so tired, has John not been treating you well? Have you not been sleeping well? You love him so but he says your only a machine. Cameron you look so thin, have you not been eating well? Oh Cameron you would be better off with me. You would sleep so well and I would feed you well. Lamb and potatoes we would eat. And ice-cream, lots of ice-cream eat we would until you were as fat as me. And with you I would dare go out at night in my neighborhood, with you I would be so safe. Oh Cameron, I would love to love you so. Oh Cameron, if you wish to stay with John, at least send me Allison.
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