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Post by Derek Reese on Sept 8, 2008 21:00:01 GMT -5
Discuss the character of Catherine Weaver here in all her glory. C.E.O. and T-1000 all in one.
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Post by rossbondreturns on Sept 8, 2008 21:25:33 GMT -5
I hereby Dub her the We-1000 TM.
More to come when I finally see the show.
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Post by traitorsgate on Sept 9, 2008 7:21:14 GMT -5
They better not kill her off to quickly now that we have the T-1000 angle. What's more it just reinforces what I've always believed in regards to the whole Terminator franchise, it's the Terminators that make it, the humans are just filler.
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Post by rove3 on Sept 9, 2008 11:21:53 GMT -5
I had read no spoilers (pretty much nothing at all about S2) so I was totally surprised to see the reveal of Catherine as a T-1000. Yuck that she picked a urinal but, whatever. It's interesting that she seems to more human-like than Cam, which may be just a product of being a different type of terminator. Though RP didn't seem to say much, if anything, in T2.
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Post by Deep Art Frummy on Sept 9, 2008 11:28:34 GMT -5
Not a fan right now... at all.
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Post by Derek Reese on Sept 9, 2008 11:44:47 GMT -5
So far I'm loving the idea of Skynet setting up a T-1000, who's clearly more than capable of handling things on a business and technological level, helping to further Skynet. While it may not be a new angle in the fanbase (fan fiction floating around for years), Catherine really seems to suit the particular world that their in. The fact that Skynet wants to reinforce its development with the likes of Catherine Weaver is a brilliant move. I'm going to be very intrigued to see how the Connor's become aware of her in the line of action, when it comes down to it.
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Post by vicheron on Sept 12, 2008 2:35:15 GMT -5
I wonder how Catherine actually got the Turk since the guy who gave it to her said that it cost her $300,000 but Sarkissian wanted $500,000 from Sarah for it.
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Post by t101 on Sept 13, 2008 3:29:02 GMT -5
I suppose when they couldn't get what they wanted from Sarah they sold it for what they could and fast seeing how things were going out of control.
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Post by Big Brother on Sept 13, 2008 10:44:39 GMT -5
I wonder how Catherine actually got the Turk since the guy who gave it to her said that it cost her $300,000 but Sarkissian wanted $500,000 from Sarah for it. Option 1: Mr. Walsh is Catherine's regular go-to guy for thuggery, and she hired him to steal it from Sarkissian in order to get a better price. Option 2: Mr. Walsh is one of Sarkissian's thugs, and when things went pear-shaped after Derek shot Fake!Sarkissian and Sarko himself went off to get killed by the Connors, Walsh grabbed the Turk and sold it for some quick getaway cash. Option 3: Sarkissian had already agreed to sell the Turk to Weaver with Mr. Walsh as his bagman, for the agreed-upon price of 300k (a nice profit over the 20k he bought it from Dmitri for), and the 500k price he offered Sarah Connor was the premium he charges for breaking a previously-agreed-upon contract...letting him pocket more than 300k and still have some money left over to give Weaver a refund as an apology for not being able to get her The Turk. Personally, I'm leaning toward option 3. Sarkissian wouldn't go for the Turk unless he already had a prospective buyer lined up, it's not like there's a major black market for chess-playing computers. Terminator!Weaver has obviously been in the past for a while, either setting up her company, or learning business and management skills and taking over an existing one. If her mission is to find the Turk and shepherd it into becoming Skynet's brain, as Vick's was apparently to find ARTIE and shepherd it into becoming Skynet's nervous system, she may have had enough information to find Andy Goode and sic Sarkissian on him. Or maybe she even tried to hire him and was rebuffed for some reason (maybe Andy's had enough of working for big corporations after the Cyberdyne debacle?) and resorted to theft instead. Or maybe she tried to hire him and decided he didn't have the personality type to properly shepherd the Turk into Skynet-hood, since Andy seems like the kind of guy who'd try to stop it if he got an inkling of what Skynet might become.
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Post by vicheron on Sept 13, 2008 22:19:27 GMT -5
If Catherine knew Andy then maybe Derek didn't shoot Andy at the hotel room.
Sarkissian was able to find out where the Connors lived in a very short period of time. If Catherine had close ties with Sarkissian then it may not be that hard for her to find out where the Connors live.
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Post by richardstevenhack on Sept 14, 2008 6:08:32 GMT -5
No, we saw Derek shoot Andy, that's clear. I assume Sarkissian knew where the Connors lived, because his thug that Derek shot got that info from Carlos and passed it on to Sarkissian - although we still don't know for sure what the connection was between those two, or for that matter who they were in general other than being thugs. Since when do thugs buy chess computers?
I can't figure where this guy Walsh fits in - he popped up out of nowhere with the Turk. There was supposedly a guy in a photo that John found on Sarkissian's hard drive who came in after Dmitri and before Sarah just before Cameron blew up - but that photo didn't look like Walsh! And now they've killed off Sarkissian completely! That would seem to pretty much cut the connection to the Turk from ever being located by the Connors.
I don't think Catherine had connections with Sarkissian. I think they threw in Walsh to cut that connection from the plot, so we don't have Catherine swooping down on the Connors the next minute, which is what she would do if she knew they were around.
It seems like Josh wants to stretch things out by severing the direct line between the Connors and Skynet which the Turk represented. So now Weaver has the Turk and doesn't know about the Connors, while the Connors don't know where the Turk is or know about Weaver.
That leaves Agent Ellison as the one link between the two of them - which would seem to insure Richard T. Jones career on the show, at least for a while. What I can't figure out is why Weaver would hire Ellison and reveal that she knows about Terminators. I don't know how that's going to be introduced in a way that makes sense.
One thing that tickles me is that I had a concept for a plot for T-3 (before it came out) whereby the only way Skynet could insure its creation would be to come back itself to present time and take over the company that created it. I'd say this Weaver story line resembles that concept.. We might find out that Catherine Weaver is not just a T-1001, but actually a more direct representative of Skynet, if not Skynet itself in mobile form. That would pit John and Sarah directly against Skynet in present time. On the other hand, it's not clear why Skynet would need to be "created" if it already exists in present time - unless it has to be created in a certain way to make the necessary time line evolve correctly.
Ah, speculation!
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Post by legendzero on Sept 17, 2008 20:19:13 GMT -5
Some people are wondering why T-1001 and not 1000. I look at it like a car. A BMW 540 and 535 are both a 5 series, the 540 just has a bigger engine and a few more bells. But they are the same design. Maybe Weaver has a higher heat tolerance or something along those lines.
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Post by Big Brother on Sept 17, 2008 23:21:36 GMT -5
More likely, the producers want an excuse in case the writers want to make this bot do something the previous liquid metal model couldn't, or vice versa...or to explain any other discrepancies in special effects, etc. It's a preemptive license to change things without changing T2 itself.
Or, for a more in-universe explanation, maybe the T-1000 was the prototype and the T-1001 is the mass production model.
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Post by vicheron on Sept 18, 2008 0:16:23 GMT -5
The T-1001 thing is just really annoying, especially considering that we've never even seen what the T-1000 is truly capable of. If they can't call Catherine a T-1000 then they shouldn't give her a model number. It is perfectly reasonable if no one actually knows her model number. Plus the show would be more interesting if Derek and Cameron have never fought or even seen a T-1000 before.
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Post by traitorsgate on Sept 18, 2008 2:08:54 GMT -5
Frankly given the time constraints it would be a mistake for the producers to get bogged down over details like model numbers. The only people who really worry about these sort of things are the real hardcore fanboys, and their going to watch the show regardless. Casual viewers on the other hand are more concerned with strong scripts and story lines and its these casual viewers TSCC needs to win over if it's to survive.
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