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Post by Big Brother on Sept 24, 2008 13:51:36 GMT -5
Okay, after the revelations in 2x03 "The Mousetrap", I have a new theory as to Catherine Weaver and the Weaver-bot.
Weaverbot tells Ellison an interesting story. Apparently, five years ago (thus circa 2002), a commuter jet flying from Sacramento to Portland crashed in "the eastern sierras" Note that a plane flying from Sacramento to Portland would, at best, pass over the extreme western edge of the Sierra Nevada mountains, so either this story is bullcrap, or the plane was at least a hundred miles off course. Still assuming that the writers just made a geography goof and meant the coast ranges, not the inland Sierra Nevada, we'll assume for the time being that the plane crash story isn't a lie.
Anyways, when the plane crash site was investigated by the NTSB, they found the remains of a terminator endoskeleton on board. One of the investigators was Catherine Weaver's brother, who brought the endoskeleton to her attention. Since then, she and her late husband have spent 3 years and 20 million dollars trying to reverse-engineer the technology. Note the number of years. The plane crash was 5 years ago, but she's spent 3 years trying to reverse-engineer it. Perhaps it took them two years to get the parts away from the NTSB and assemble a team of engineers to work on it. Perhaps they spent 3 years and then gave up. Or perhaps for the last two years they've been working on something else instead.
I think two years ago (circa 2005) was when the T-1001 came back from the future, killed the real Catherine Weaver (and probably her late husband) and took her place. This was when it took the engineers off the project of reverse-engineering an 800/888-series endoskeleton and put them on a more fruitful path to creating Skynet. Because, I think the original timeline had Mr. and Mrs. Weaver eventually successfully reverse-engineering the endoskeleton, creating Skynet in much the same way that Cyberdyne created the Skynet that blew up the world in 1997, and it was this Weaver-created Skynet that blew up the world in 2011. However, much like the original Skynet, it was eventually losing the war against Connor's resistance movement, and also decided to send terminators back in time to kill John as a desperation strategy. As another desperation strategy, it sent back the T-1001 to replace Weaver and build Skynet, but this time build it faster, better, and smarter, and in other ways better prepared to win the war without having to send terminators back to kill John. Perhaps this Skynet reasoned that, with a better early preparation, it would have more of a chance of defeating the resistance in the future, even if John Connor survived to lead the resistance.
Or maybe the plane crash story is all a tissue of lies. We'll see...
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Post by vicheron on Sept 24, 2008 17:22:35 GMT -5
But that would end up with a completely different Skynet. If Skynet started the war in the first place because it wanted to "live" then wouldn't it want to ensure that its entire existence gets preserved? Unless Skynet itself plans to travel back in time and upload itself into the new Skynet mainframe.
Also, I think that Catherine is lying. The plane crash probably was real and maybe the investigation too but Catherine added the Terminator to fool Ellison. Remember, Ellison is an FBI agent, he has the resources to investigate the truth of what happened. If Catherine tells Ellison about a real incident involving Terminators then Ellison could find something that Skynet doesn't want him to know. Plus, covering up an incident like that would take a lot more resources than making up a story.
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Post by Ronnie on Sept 25, 2008 0:37:23 GMT -5
I think now that Ellison is on the outs with the FBI, he will be limited on the information he can dig through. I have a feeling that he is gone for good, and it doesn't seem like he has any close friends he could use as contacts. I think his being on his own is reflected in his new alliance with Weaver.
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Post by vicheron on Sept 25, 2008 1:38:57 GMT -5
Ellison hasn't resigned yet. He can still investigate Catherine's story. Even without the FBI's resources, Ellison can still rely on his training and skills to find out more about Catherine.
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Post by richardstevenhack on Sept 28, 2008 5:28:12 GMT -5
I like Big Brother's theory, but we won't know for sure until Ellison digs up some more info on Weaver. He's obviously the point man for Josh to reveal info about Weaver - him and Weaver's own actions. I think we're going to find out about Weaver just as fast as Ellison does and no faster.
The motivations for Weaver are definitely unclear. Is she there merely to make sure The Turk gets turned into Skynet? That is the implication of her "it's going to change the world" line. However, with Josh, nothing is what it seems... He appears to take a fiendish delight in throwing curves at the audience.
My theory has always been that, at some point, somehow, Skynet itself comes back to insure that it gets created. While that doesn't seem to make a lot of sense - since if it comes back, it's already here and thus by definition "created" - there is perhaps some slight difference between it being here in SOME form and it being here in a position to take over all the nuclear warheads in the world and create Judgment Day.
Or maybe it would come back and instead of doing Judgment Day, it might start some OTHER plot to deal with humans.
Anything is possible - depending on how fiendish Josh wants to be.
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Post by aceplace57 on Oct 2, 2008 19:48:47 GMT -5
Any thoughts on the T-1000 /T-1001 abilities and limitations?
Odo on Deep Space 9 could only hold his shape for a limited number of hours. I think it was 18 or so. He had to go liquid for a few hours and then he could take a shape.
How about the T-1000? Wouldn't it need to rest and go liquid? Holding a shape requires processing time and extra energy consumption.
Any limits to forms the T-1000 can take? Odo was a bird, various animals, solid objects etc. There was no spatial relationship between his liquid volume and the size of the object he became.
How about splitting into multiple obects? Could Catherine visit an office, morph a paperweight and leave? The paperweight could listen to conversations. Later Catherine could return and rejoin with that liquid. I've seen something like that before. But, I can't recall which show. Odo never split like that.
TSCC does provide an opportunity to flesh out the T-1000's abilities. We only saw the T-1000 for a limited time in T2.
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Post by tzigone on Oct 2, 2008 21:46:52 GMT -5
I believe T2 specified that the object had to be the same size (approximately). And that the person/object being copied had to be physically sampled/touched by the T-1000. Now, Weaver is a new model, but I rather hope they keep that last one.
Also, I apologize if my memory is failing me.
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Post by aceplace57 on Oct 2, 2008 22:06:56 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to seeing how the writers use Catherine. Shape Shifters are fascinating characters, that can do practically anything the writers want. Fx have improved a lot since Deep Space 9 ended nearly 10 years ago. They can do so much for and it's not nearly as expensive.
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Post by Erika on Oct 7, 2008 23:41:34 GMT -5
What do you all think of Catherine after last night's episode? MAN - she is quickly becoming the TSCC tool for helping guys to quit complaining and to keep their flies zipped I've officially decided that I have no idea what her agenda is. She didn't seem to know anything about the Greenway Terminator and his motives, yet she swooped in and took advantage of the plant nearly going nuclear. Is she the terminator's ringleader or is she a terminator resistant fighter herself?
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Post by Derek Reese on Oct 7, 2008 23:48:40 GMT -5
What do you all think of Catherine after last night's episode? MAN - she is quickly becoming the TSCC tool for helping guys to quit complaining and to keep their flies zipped I've officially decided that I have no idea what her agenda is. She didn't seem to know anything about the Greenway Terminator and his motives, yet she swooped in and took advantage of the plant nearly going nuclear. Is she the terminator's ringleader or is she a terminator resistant fighter herself? Wondering the same, Erika.
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Post by vicheron on Oct 8, 2008 1:49:03 GMT -5
I wonder when Catherine came from. It is possible that she doesn't come from the same time period as the other Terminators/Resistance fighters that have come through. It is possible that she came from a later time so she would know about what happened to the other Terminators/Resistance fighters who have been sent through. Maybe she knows about the blood wall since she comes from a time when Skynet has learned about that Resistance fighter's mission.
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Post by richardstevenhack on Oct 8, 2008 22:23:32 GMT -5
I go with Big Brother's explanation - and Josh's "we wanted our own numbers", partly to stay close to but different from T-2 and also for Big Brother's reasons, to give them flexibility in the story arcs.
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Post by chrisimo on Oct 23, 2008 8:00:07 GMT -5
Maybe both Catherine and Cameron are from a Terminator Resistance and they really want peace, like Cameron said to Allison. Originally Cameron was meant to target John because he was the leader of the Human Resistance and they thought he might be the most dangerous to them. But when Cameron infiltrated Johns Camp she realized that he may be an asset for the machines instead of an enemy. So she goes back to protect him in the past (with or without FutureJohn knowing). Meanwhile Catherine wants to ensure that Skynet will be build but at the same time modify it so that it works in favor of the Terminator Resistance/Peace Movement.
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Post by terrasj on Oct 29, 2008 4:20:39 GMT -5
I wonder what the forensic report would've been for 'cause of death' for Mr. Nelson in "Goodbye To All That", as Weaver masqueraded as a hot brunette lady, and led the guy outside the bar to 'silence him' or rather give the cliche 'kiss of death' . She walks away rather than remove his body from the scene. Maybe its a good thing she has Ellison working for her now, otherwise he'd likely hear of an unusual homicide case and have to investigate it.
I'm curious of Weaver's choice to keep Savannah, to 'parent' the child herself when she (we can only assume) knows nothing of motherhood.
Theres one parallel - Savannah and Skynet are both 'children' still in their development stages. Gaining insight from Savannah, Weaver could use towards Skynet, help it develop better.
While at the same time, Savannah's a liability to Weaver in many ways. The photo-shoot for instance, gives away somethings not right between Savannah and Weaver. The daughter appears so estranged from her mother, when viewed by the female staff assistant. Hence the Dr. Sherman connection comes into play. Bring in a psychologist / therapist to further understand Savannah, and apply him to Skynet's puzzling development...
Though most curious is Weaver's beginning to understand some basics of humanity, like the effect of a gentle touch or caress, and the effect its beginning to have on Savannah. By the end of "The tower is..." , we see Savannah actually beginning to adopt / accept Weaver as her mother, like a child normally should. Savannah actually goes up to her, and wants to sit in her lap, and Weaver lets her climb up, even has a bit of a pleased smile while putting her hand on Savannah's shoulder.
I'm curious where's that going to lead to. As others mentioned in this thread - Weaver possibly being on the Terminator / Peace Movement... Could it be possible that children not only can affect a person in interesting ways, but could also affect an advanced Terminator such as Weaver? Wouldn't there be a conflict of interest then?
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Post by aceplace57 on Feb 13, 2009 17:46:38 GMT -5
My theory about T-1000's.
Skynet needs some way to deal with rouge or reprogrammed Terminators. Terminators are vulnerable because they have a chip that can be compromised by resistance fighters like John Connor.
I think that's one of the main reasons the T-1000 was developed. They are primarily Terminator killers. They can be used in the future to take out any Terminators that John Connor reprograms. A T-1000 was sent in T2 because Skynet knew or suspected John Connor was being protected by a rouge Terminator. The T-1000 knew it had to kill the rouge Terminator and then it could easily kill the human boy and his mother. Skynet underestimated Sarah and John. The battle between the T-800 and the T-1000 was essentially a draw. They destroyed each other. The T-800 (Uncle Bob) was damaged beyond any reasonable repair.
We don't know if Weaver was sent back to kill the rouge Terminator aka Cameron. Even if that's not the mission, Weaver is best left alone. I don't believe Cameron has a chance in a one on one fight. Maybe, the Connors could set a trap (like they did for Cromartie) and that would give Cameron a fighting chance. But, even then she'll sustain considerable damage.
My 2 cents. For whatever it's worth. ;D
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