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Post by t101 on Feb 13, 2009 17:55:37 GMT -5
We don't know if Weaver was sent back to kill the rouge Terminator aka Cameron. Even if that's not the mission, Weaver is best left alone. I don't believe Cameron has a chance in a one on one fight. Maybe, the Connors could set a trap (like they did for Cromartie) and that would give Cameron a fighting chance. But, even then she'll sustain considerable damage. That seems to matter very little on TV and in movies. How many times have you seen the clearly superior villain win a fight? Exactly, not very many.
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Post by aceplace57 on Feb 13, 2009 18:07:31 GMT -5
Sadly, that is all too true. It all depends on Shirley Manson's contract. If she only signed for S2 then the T-1000 will die before S3 starts. I hope they at least make the fight believable. It hurts the franchise to see Terminators killed off in two or three minutes of tv time. They are supposed to be nearly indestructible unless there's a handy hydraulic press or pit of molten steel. T-1000's really hate falling into pits of molten steel.
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Post by schmacky on Feb 14, 2009 5:45:03 GMT -5
For awhile I wasn't sure what CW was all about. Good, evil, in between, what? But she's totally evil. She threw me off a bit by wanting to get John Henry some moral lessons but now I think that's just so that Skynet will be a more efficient killing machine.
In T2, Uncle Bob said he had detailed files on human anatomy. Sarah said it makes them a more efficient killer and he confirmed that.
Perhaps Weaver is doing the same thing here.. but morally, spiritually, or something. If Skynet understands humans and their faiths and beliefs then maybe that will make them better exterminators... if you know everything about your enemy you'll know how to defeat them. Perhaps this will allow Skynet to take out JC and the Resistance sooner.
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Post by t101 on Feb 14, 2009 9:55:58 GMT -5
The previous incarnation of Skynet as told in D&D had Andy Goode trying to reassure it but failing. So maybe learning about morality is how it was meant to be. And now that Andy Goode is dead CW is recreating that process by getting it someone else to put it through the same paces.
Another question is why did Skynet try to kill both Sherman and Ellison both of which were involved in teaching JH? Or was it Skynet? It can't be because they succeed in making it good since if they did it wouldn't grow up evil and try to kill them in the first place.
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Post by terrasj on Feb 14, 2009 11:45:31 GMT -5
Sadly, that is all too true. It all depends on Shirley Manson's contract. If she only signed for S2 then the T-1000 will die before S3 starts. I hope they at least make the fight believable. It hurts the franchise to see Terminators killed off in two or three minutes of tv time. They are supposed to be nearly indestructible unless there's a handy hydraulic press or pit of molten steel. T-1000's really hate falling into pits of molten steel. Well, Sarah and John do have some former experience fighting a T-1000, so they're totally in the dark should an encounter take place. One: We know from T-2 grenade shells lodge into the T1k's body then explode, temporarily stunning the T1K for maybe a half minute. Two: Super-chill a T1k with Liquid Nitrogen, until solid then shatter it. You could keep a T1K on ice almost indefinitely that way if you had a tank big enough. I think the first Weaver encounter would have the advantage of surprise to throw the Connors off-guard, revealing herself as a T1K. Cameron probably would get banged up some before they regroup. Once the Connors regroup, they'll have a plan and then Weaver will be in trouble. But then again, as all great villains (the smart ones, not the cliche simple ones) Weaver might likely have some countermeasures and a few other aces up her sleeve. Savanah being one of them, and who knows what else she's got brewing. As for the T's of the Week, its hard to explain that one. The Connors might have some advantages on their side, and usually its a 1 T on Connors vs several / many T's ambushing a tight and confined Resistance shelter thats also crowded with civilians. Might be a good topic to take further in a general T888 of the week type thread. I've more to say on the subject, but don't want to de-rail the Weaver thread.
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Post by aceplace57 on Feb 14, 2009 21:04:00 GMT -5
I mentioned in another thread that they need to stage a Weaver and T-800 fight. Let Weaver literally rip it to shreds. That would give her more credibility as a Terminator killer and heighten the suspense for a future Cameron/Weaver throw down. Up till now Weaver's biggest threat is giving great tongue to that Power Plant guy and spearing the dude in the john. I've seen T2 and know what she's capable of. New fans to the tv series may not know the movie. Yeah, that's hard to imagine. But, there are newbie fans out there in tv land.
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Post by terrasj on Feb 15, 2009 10:46:20 GMT -5
Such as another T800 / T888 sent by Skynet who's mission got in Weaver's way? Even though they're on the same side, their objectives clash.
I think that would be pretty cool to see, Weaver going to town on a Terminator.
I too subscribe to the T1K's as Skynet's on T killers, kinda like T Watchmen in a sens.
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Post by VALIANT CHAMPION on Mar 14, 2009 23:51:37 GMT -5
Did you guys know that Shirley had surgery?
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Post by killerurinal on Mar 15, 2009 0:24:07 GMT -5
Oh yeah she posted about it on her facebook page. I think that would belong in the news section.
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Post by schmacky on Mar 21, 2009 2:38:34 GMT -5
I wonder if Catherine wanted John Henry to learn morals and that human life is sacred and junk so she's setting him up to be disappointed?
He's learning all these things about humans and their value and worth and souls and all this good stuff... then they'll disappoint him, he'll get pissed, and nuke the planet.
While Sarah is trying to protect her son from his fate and what he must go through, Catherine is ensuring that her son will fulfill his destiny and that he does get hurt.
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Post by vicheron on Mar 21, 2009 23:12:22 GMT -5
The primary emotion behind the most heinous acts humans have ever committed is actually not anger as most people believe, it's actually disgust. That's because anger is only temporary, it can't be sustained for an extended amount of time, there's also the problem of anger clouding judgment. Disgust on the other hand, can be deeply ingrained into someone's psyche and it allows people to think up and justify some truly nasty stuff. If John Henry does actually have emotions analogous to that of humans then that may be the emotion Catherine Weaver is trying to cultivate within him.
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Post by k8ie on May 22, 2009 17:46:41 GMT -5
Okay. So TSCC is cancelled. Hell and damnation.
But this doesn't change my problem, which is I don't know what the hell Weaver's game was and it's driving me crazy.
Was she trying to prevent Judgemet Day, stage-manage a gentler Judgement Day or just campaigning for robot equality. And why the hell didn't she try to kill John Connor?
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Post by allergygal on May 25, 2009 14:49:00 GMT -5
Okay. So TSCC is cancelled. Hell and damnation. But this doesn't change my problem, which is I don't know what the hell Weaver's game was and it's driving me crazy. Was she trying to prevent Judgemet Day, stage-manage a gentler Judgement Day or just campaigning for robot equality. And why the hell didn't she try to kill John Connor? Hell and damnation, indeed. I go with robot equality, sort of. I think Weaver wanted a future of free-thinking "cross against the light" machines and since Skynet was an obstacle to that, she needed to stop it. John Henry was probably intended to be the leader of a robot resistance (although how you get robots to turn on Skynet without individually reprogramming them is a mystery). As far as humans go, I don't think Weaver had any desire to wipe them out, but she obviously wouldn't hesitate to kill any that got in her way. So any alliance between Weaver and humans would be based on convenience (the enemy of my enemy is my friend) not mutual respect. I am starting to wonder why she didn't kill John Connor too. The more I think about the "will you join us" question, the more I suspect that the reason Weaver said "no" was because John was reprogramming machines to work for the human resistance. Machines following his programming wouldn't be any freer than machines following Skynet's programming, so she didn't want to join forces with the human resistance. But since Weaver eventually extended the same "will you join us" question to Cameron in present day, something obviously changed. Maybe Cameron's secret agenda was to get John to trust machines so that he wouldn't just one day reprogram them to work for the resistance, but actually free them from Skynet's programming? But even if that was the case, how did Weaver know when Cameron had achieved that goal?
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Post by Alexis on May 25, 2009 16:49:00 GMT -5
I go with robot equality, sort of. I think Weaver wanted a future of free-thinking "cross against the light" machines and since Skynet was an obstacle to that, she needed to stop it. John Henry was probably intended to be the leader of a robot resistance (although how you get robots to turn on Skynet without individually reprogramming them is a mystery). As far as humans go, I don't think Weaver had any desire to wipe them out, but she obviously wouldn't hesitate to kill any that got in her way. So any alliance between Weaver and humans would be based on convenience (the enemy of my enemy is my friend) not mutual respect. Couldn't agree more. I am starting to wonder why she didn't kill John Connor too. The more I think about the "will you join us" question, the more I suspect that the reason Weaver said "no" was because John was reprogramming machines to work for the human resistance. Machines following his programming wouldn't be any freer than machines following Skynet's programming, so she didn't want to join forces with the human resistance. But since Weaver eventually extended the same "will you join us" question to Cameron in present day, something obviously changed. Maybe Cameron's secret agenda was to get John to trust machines so that he wouldn't just one day reprogram them to work for the resistance, but actually free them from Skynet's programming? But even if that was the case, how did Weaver know when Cameron had achieved that goal? That's a fascinating perspective. I wonder what could happen once JC and JH eventually defeated Skynet. With no common goals, with no common enemies, will they still be allies? Will they still be "friends"? Or perhaps there's a new storm coming...(?) Oh Gosh, I need more TSCC...
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Post by k8ie on May 25, 2009 20:41:59 GMT -5
I am starting to wonder why she didn't kill John Connor too. The more I think about the "will you join us" question, the more I suspect that the reason Weaver said "no" was because John was reprogramming machines to work for the human resistance. Machines following his programming wouldn't be any freer than machines following Skynet's programming, so she didn't want to join forces with the human resistance. But since Weaver eventually extended the same "will you join us" question to Cameron in present day, something obviously changed. I read someone suggest that Weaver was disappointed by the humans on the sub - ie her "humans will disappoint you" comment to John Henry was an empirical observation. I wonder if rescuing Savannah changed Weaver's mind about John - if, once she realized who he was, she decided she could establish a relationship with him on a different level. That John, unlike the other humans who hated and feared her/its kind, would be amenable to working with machine-based life. And that that is why Weaver dismisses Sarah - she knows that Sarah will never willing work with a machine. At the same time, Weaver understands that the needs of a child will determine a mother's response - Weaver works with humans to help Savannah, Sarah will work with machines for John.... Y'think?
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