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Post by littleb on Feb 17, 2009 17:15:35 GMT -5
Hunting fanboys for sport isn't ebil. It's like spaying your cat. It's necessary for the public health. I hunt Fanboys for Sport should totally be made into a T-shirt... <LOL> I can't believe I followed that link! Too true though, he is definitely into the S/D ship. Anyone who wants to write the fic for the rest of their car journey... please feel free...
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Post by theturk on Feb 17, 2009 19:18:41 GMT -5
I actually find John Henry weirdly adorable. Watch in future episodes as his development takes some interesting turns.
Another tidbit-- in an early draft of the script, there was a running "Beast Wizard" storyline, where clips of Beast Wizard were playing in the hospital, factory, sheriff station, and Turk Room, subtly commenting on the action in the main story (a la the Tales of the Black Freighter material in Watchmen). Alas, it was a bit too ambitious for an already overstuffed episode. At the end of the season someone remind me and I might post some of the script pages here, though.
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Post by battlejuice on Feb 17, 2009 19:29:29 GMT -5
I actually find John Henry weirdly adorable. Watch in future episodes as his development takes some interesting turns. Another tidbit-- in an early draft of the script, there was a running "Beast Wizard" storyline, where clips of Beast Wizard were playing in the hospital, factory, sheriff station, and Turk Room, subtly commenting on the action in the main story (a la the Tales of the Black Freighter material in Watchmen). Alas, it was a bit too ambitious for an already overstuffed episode. At the end of the season someone remind me and I might post some of the script pages here, though. Was it not shot? It needs to be on the DVD! Even if it is just script pages. Someone should pony up so we can get a feature length Beast Master movie.
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Post by Erika on Feb 17, 2009 19:45:50 GMT -5
*Hand up!* Yes I would like lots of extra footage footage of George Lazlo aka the Beast Wizard running around nearly naked on my DVD. Wait...did I say that aloud? As for the weird D/S vibes w/ Kyle - I didn't exactly see it as Kyle wanting Sarah to BE with Derek, I thought it was more a reminder that DEREK is Kyle's brother. For all that he's pigheaded, annoying, unpredictable, and argumentative, Sarah and Derek both share a second bond between them which should at the very least bring them closer as family rather than the bristling forced allies that they sort of are right now. They have John between them - but I think Sarah just needed to remind herself that likely before the war, Derek could've been every bit as sweet as Kyle, they do share the same blood and devotion to her son, ergo she shouldn't be so hard on him. Kyle is the giant elephant in the room that they don't talk about. Sarah was finally about to address it and Derek shot her down. I suspect that at some point in the season, Derek will learn how much Sarah did love Kyle and that their feelings weren't just one sided, when that happens I think that the 2 of them will have some sort of a deeper understanding/respect for each other and they'll be less adversarial and competitive over John.
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Post by k8ie on Feb 17, 2009 21:08:43 GMT -5
I actually find John Henry weirdly adorable. Watch in future episodes as his development takes some interesting turns. JH is adorable - full of innocent curiosity and wonder... just like the monster right before he killed Frankenstein's child brother and frames an innocent for the murder... *shudder* But! But! But! You can never have too much Beastwizard... can you? What excites me about how that scene was written and played is that it leaves the writers and actors so much freedom to address that issue in the future - is Derek saying he doesn't want to hear what Sarah has to say or doesn't need to hear what Sarah has to say. And if the latter, is he saying "yeah, I know, the kid's my nephew" or "yeah, I know, you were i love with him" or some combination of the two. And is Sarah going to tell Derek about John, about why she didn't tell him, or about her relationship with Kyle? The scene plays a lot of different ways and as a viewer, you can take what you want or need to from that exchange. And when that moment is revisited, TSCC can pick up any one (or all) of those interpretations and run with it. It's wondrous.
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Post by schmacky on Feb 17, 2009 21:09:51 GMT -5
Kyle is the giant elephant in the room that they don't talk about. Sarah was finally about to address it and Derek shot her down. I suspect that at some point in the season, Derek will learn how much Sarah did love Kyle and that their feelings weren't just one sided, when that happens I think that the 2 of them will have some sort of a deeper understanding/respect for each other and they'll be less adversarial and competitive over John. To me, that already happened. After Sarah woke up from her surgery and she saw Derek, then Kyle, then Derek again and with the woman asking about John's father.. the look on Derek's face made it seem (to me anyway) that Derek finally does now realize that Sarah loved his brother just as much as his brother loved her. Like he had never realized before how Sarah and Kyle's bond went way beyond the physical. And when she wanted to explain and Derek cut her off. I didn't see it like Derek was shooting her down. It was typical Derek.. no emotions. He already knows. She knows. Nothing else to explain.
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Post by allergygal on Feb 17, 2009 21:18:52 GMT -5
But! But! But! You can never have too much Beastwizard... can you? Am I the only one who doesn't care if we ever see more Beastwizard? If was fun in Mousetrap, but beynd that, I think it would be gimmicky to have it keep showing up.
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Post by schmacky on Feb 17, 2009 21:30:00 GMT -5
But! But! But! You can never have too much Beastwizard... can you? Am I the only one who doesn't care if we ever see more Beastwizard? If was fun in Mousetrap, but beynd that, I think it would be gimmicky to have it keep showing up. I agree. It made sense in Mousetrap because Georgie had just died. But just like the real world, time heals all mass public obsessions with killers and big media stories... so I doubt Beastwizard would be playing much on TV now anyhow.
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Post by theturk on Feb 17, 2009 22:30:27 GMT -5
But! But! But! You can never have too much Beastwizard... can you? Am I the only one who doesn't care if we ever see more Beastwizard? If was fun in Mousetrap, but beynd that, I think it would be gimmicky to have it keep showing up. Josh ultimately agreed with you. I, on the other hand, would write and shoot the Beastwizard movie in its entirety if given the chance.
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Post by cyadon on Feb 17, 2009 23:44:40 GMT -5
Am I the only one who doesn't care if we ever see more Beastwizard? If was fun in Mousetrap, but beynd that, I think it would be gimmicky to have it keep showing up. Josh ultimately agreed with you. I, on the other hand, would write and shoot the Beastwizard movie in its entirety if given the chance. Well, just let Josh know that everything that has been shot for Beastwizard should be added to the gag reel part of the Season 2 DVDs, or their own section if there's enough of it.
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Post by theturk on Feb 18, 2009 0:15:32 GMT -5
Alas, Beast Wizard was written but not shot.
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Post by Erika on Feb 18, 2009 2:12:57 GMT -5
Aww come on Tonya - it's all a ploy to get to see Garret's amazing bare abs again. If that man works out that hard to look like that, he DESERVES the opportunity to show off his work again as a nice change of pace from dressing like Forrest Gump. Kyle is the giant elephant in the room that they don't talk about. Sarah was finally about to address it and Derek shot her down. I suspect that at some point in the season, Derek will learn how much Sarah did love Kyle and that their feelings weren't just one sided, when that happens I think that the 2 of them will have some sort of a deeper understanding/respect for each other and they'll be less adversarial and competitive over John. To me, that already happened. After Sarah woke up from her surgery and she saw Derek, then Kyle, then Derek again and with the woman asking about John's father.. the look on Derek's face made it seem (to me anyway) that Derek finally does now realize that Sarah loved his brother just as much as his brother loved her. Like he had never realized before how Sarah and Kyle's bond went way beyond the physical. And when she wanted to explain and Derek cut her off. I didn't see it like Derek was shooting her down. It was typical Derek.. no emotions. He already knows. She knows. Nothing else to explain. Yeah but the poor thing, Sarah can't even talk about the ONE thing that was pure and wonderful in her life. She can't talk to anyone about anything. Being able to talk to Derek about Kyle might actually give her a moment or two of being happy
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Post by allergygal on Feb 18, 2009 2:38:21 GMT -5
Josh ultimately agreed with you. I, on the other hand, would write and shoot the Beastwizard movie in its entirety if given the chance. Egggggscellent. I knew those top secret production meetings I held would pay off. I'll tell you what, if you write the script, I'll kick in, uh, let's see what I got here... $67.43 for production. You can work with a tight budget, right? ;D
Aww come on Tonya - it's all a ploy to get to see Garret's amazing bare abs again. If that man works out that hard to look like that, he DESERVES the opportunity to show off his work again as a nice change of pace from dressing like Forrest Gump. Hey, I've got no problem with Garrett's abs. But if we're going the cheesy route to see them, I'd much rather it be like a classic Capt Kirk fight where he ends up with a ripped shirt. I would so love a scene where Sarah and Derek actually talk about Kyle!
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Post by littleb on Feb 18, 2009 6:28:08 GMT -5
I actually find John Henry weirdly adorable. Watch in future episodes as his development takes some interesting turns. I'm glad I'm not the only one who gets those sweet right before he rips your head off vibes. Loved the switch from playing with the toys and the childlike wonder at their mythology to him matter-of-factly declaring; "you're not human." The sing-song question and answer with Weaver was also fabulous as they mimicked each others' voices; "no, you should not..." Maybe not, but probably not the right tone for this ep. I didn't see it as him shooting her down. I thought he was cutting her some slack. He's just seen her at her most vulnerable and I think he was giving her time to recover her equilibrium. The smile on her face in the morgue (not a sentence you get to type every day!) when she was drugged up and seeing the wrong Reese might give Derek an inkling of her feeling towards Kyle if he puts any thought into it. I think in the truck, he didn't need to hear her say it as opposed to didn't want to. She'd had a bad enough day, he knows that, she called him twice and he didn't want to make it worse by putting her through the "John's your nephew, Kyle was his dad, sorry I left it till now" talk. That's my take on it anyways, cos I like Derek and he earned back some of the Brownie points he'd lost by shagging Jesse, in this ep. I would love to see that scene. I guess the barriers might go up again for Sarah though, she'd laid herself so open during that episode and she hasn't even had time to think about killing someone for the first time yet. Maybe if they both get absolutely wasted one night, truth will be told. We mentioned we liked this one, didn't we? Changing the subject slightly... was it just me, or did Sarah look quite peaceful with the prospect of dying when she was in the motel. She kind of smiled when she told Kyle; "I'm gonna die." Foreshadowing?
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Post by allergygal on Feb 18, 2009 12:43:11 GMT -5
Maybe if they both get absolutely wasted one night, truth will be told. Actually, that's perfect. I can't imagine Sarah and Derek ever just talking about Kyle since they're both so bottled up. But give them some alcohol and maybe they would.
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