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Post by gothamite66 on Feb 13, 2009 19:57:38 GMT -5
Ourselves Alone Friday, March 6th Written by Toni Graphia and Daniel T. Thomsen Directed by Jeff Woolnough
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Post by schmacky on Feb 14, 2009 5:58:25 GMT -5
Ok folks, I'm calling it.. THIS ONE will be a Cameron centric episode. I got a feeling. I hope Toni Graphia doesn't prove me wrong heh
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Post by "Eli_Demonhand" on Feb 17, 2009 20:13:16 GMT -5
we will see
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Post by gothamite66 on Feb 18, 2009 9:31:13 GMT -5
Schmacky looks like you called it right. Press Release:
CAMERON’S DEFECT RESURFACES ON “TERMINATOR: THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES” FRIDAY, MARCH 6, ON FOX The return of Cameron's glitch results in regrettable consequences for everyone, and Riley fears Cameron has discovered her secret in the "Ourselves Alone" episode of TERMINATOR: THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES airing Friday, March 6 (8:00-9:01 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (SCC-217) (TV-14 D, V) Cast: Lena Headey as Sarah Connor; Thomas Dekker as John Connor; Summer Glau as Cameron; Brian Austin Green as Derek Reese; Richard T. Jones as James Ellison; Garret Dillahunt as John Henry; Shirley Manson as Catherine Weaver; Leven Rambin as Riley Guest Cast: Stephanie Jacobsen as Jesse; Mackenzie Smith as Savannah; Gregg Perrie as Aaron; Leslie Thurston as Nurse; Alex Carter as Ko Samuels; Tina Casciani as Working Girl; Alison Martin as Molly Malloy Spoiler TV
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Post by Alexis on Feb 18, 2009 9:38:56 GMT -5
Ok folks, I'm calling it.. THIS ONE will be a Cameron centric episode. I got a feeling. I hope Toni Graphia doesn't prove me wrong heh Schmacky, you're right!!
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Post by Erika on Feb 18, 2009 12:00:54 GMT -5
Oh good lord...this will be exciting.
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Post by driftlight23 on Feb 18, 2009 12:03:41 GMT -5
I still think she's going to do something irrevocable to her chip...
... and now wondering about a possible 'Ourselves Alone' link to Sinn Fein (it's the very rough English translation AFAIK). Is that intentional? Is it meant to be a reference to some kind of fight for (machine?) independence?
Northern Ireland still a bit of a sensitive subject in the UK on all sides for obvious reasons, so treading very carefully here. It may be completely unrelated.
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Post by littleb on Feb 18, 2009 12:08:08 GMT -5
"Regrettable consequences for everyone", I love how they've phrased that, it's just so polite! "Oh Cameron went nuts again but this time she kinda nuked downtown LA." "Well, that's a regrettable consequence for everyone." Maybe get Lena to say it in her Brit accent for added effect
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Post by schmacky on Feb 18, 2009 13:12:55 GMT -5
I hope we get answers out of this episode instead of more questions. And if we do get more questions, I hope they're answered within this season .. about the glitch anyway. lol@nukin' downtown LA.. Oops...
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Post by thecolours on Feb 18, 2009 13:15:27 GMT -5
Gulp!
Another defected chip episode. I hope it answers a lot of questions about Cameron, rather than being another episode where Cameron goes crazy, because that is going to drive a lot of fans and critics nuts.
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Post by rossbondreturns on Feb 18, 2009 13:35:26 GMT -5
Gulp! Another defected chip episode. I hope it answers a lot of questions about Cameron, rather than being another episode where Cameron goes crazy, because that is going to drive a lot of fans and critics nuts. I dunno. It's Cameron...people want to see Cameron doing action...and being on screen. I predict no problems with this episode at all at least on that superficial level.
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Post by hzhp800 on Feb 18, 2009 13:45:47 GMT -5
Gulp! Another defected chip episode. I hope it answers a lot of questions about Cameron, rather than being another episode where Cameron goes crazy, because that is going to drive a lot of fans and critics nuts. Indeed, For me that episode description sounds cryptic. Having Cameron go or do something against her "will" as a result of the damaged chip is to my mind generally a lazy plot device that only serves to drive a wedge between her and the rest of the team. That, in itself would not be inherently bad, but it is bad if it's solely the product of a chip malfunction and not actually what Cameron would 'want' to do. Especially, if that gets people to falsely think that it's something inherent in machines that they can malfunction at any moment or go crazy in a way that humans cannot. After all, human can and do go crazy after all sorts of physical and psychological traumas. Most humans would be too dead after what Cameron's been through to malfunction. In fact this brings me to my biggest complaint about the whole chip issue from its inception in S & D. In my opinion, it was too soon for a plot like that to work well or to provide its greatest fruits. We only had nine episodes with Cameron, a Cameron that because of her opaque motives was barely trusted by the Connors or the fans (even her fans I'm sure had little clue what she was up to). If we had at least a full season of Cameron unequivocally demonstrating her worth to the Connors and also saving John's butt about 20 times or so. That would balance, a little, some of the opaqueness even if it never went away (I'm certainly not suggesting that it should I've liked her wild card status, as long as it stemmed from her character and not from some random malfunction). This way if/when Cameron had gone bad due to a malfunction the Connor clan would have been attached to her, particularly John. Which would have made infinitely more rational and plausible John's decision to reactivate her despite the protests of the others. It makes sense for him to stick his neck out for someone whose saved his life seemingly a million times. To his mind "he'd owe her one." Perhaps, in part because he would know or assume that if he (John) were to go crazy due to some chemical imbalance imposed on him by Skynet or someone else Cameron would not kill him and would perhaps risk everything to save him. Something the humans like Jesse, certainly wouldn't do. The loyalty between the team would have made her subsequent malfunctions even more interesting, because they would want to trust her, they would want their old Cameron back, even as a big part of them would say it's too dangerous and that she may never be the same. But instead, we have a team that never liked her much to begin with now conveniently equipped with plenty of ammunition to further dislike her. Not on the basis of her character but on the symptoms of her unfortunate condition. Which hurts the show, in my view, because the more strained the relations are between the humans and Cameron the less interesting, in general, their interactions are. Compare her interactions with Eric in "Self-made man" we got to see a genuine conversation between Cameron and another human being and the results were spectacular. But that doesn't have to be confined to one episode, it could be in nearly every episode if the Connors talked to Cameron the way they normally would. The way John talked to Uncle Bob in T2 (which also served to develop and bring out his personality, it might even have molded Uncle Bob's personality). But we get very little of that because conveniently the Cameron character is socially isolated from the others who want as little to do with her as possible. This ends up cheating us, the fans out of all the potential that could be mined routinely from their conversations even in small bites. (I'm not suggesting that all of the episodes will become conversation heavy, but merely that when they did talk it would be the more interesting conversations that happen between friends and not the more stilted, boring conversations that happen between uneasy allies who can barely stand each other and are thus deliberately not forth coming. Think of it as an endless series of "that's classified, you don't need to know" moments...) Still, if there's any cause for optimism, on my part, for "Ourselves Alone" it's that it's written by Toni Graphia as she almost always writes the best stuff.
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Post by gothamite66 on Feb 18, 2009 13:46:24 GMT -5
"Oh Cameron went nuts again but this time she kinda nuked downtown LA." lol@nukin' downtown LA.. Oops... Remind me to call of sick that day, while I'd love to watch downtown get nuked I'd prefer not be be sitting in the center of the action.
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Post by terrasj on Feb 18, 2009 13:58:38 GMT -5
Well, I and Alexis were chatting about this in the chatroom ( [shameless plug] New SCS.net Toolbar![/shameless plug] ... if you have and installed Erika's awesome SCS browser toolbar) this past half hour... Theres quite a few possibilities... Alexis: Hey TerrasJ! TerrasJ: heya Alexis: Did you read the description for Ourselves Alone? TerrasJ: i hadn't yet but i might as well Alexis: Oh, looks like we'll have a Cameron centered episode! TerrasJ: yup, looks interesting! Alexis: I started to think that that might be the reason why she could turn out leaving John TerrasJ: harsh possibility there, yeah TerrasJ: might mean soemthing else though.... Alexis: Don't you think? I mean, having problems with her chip again and being a danger to John Alexis: what? Alexis: what's your theory? TerrasJ: well... and i'm just guessing here, based on the descriptions TerrasJ: the title could suggest more about Riley,, some flashbacks of Riley's past... even though being a Cameron centric episode. Those two know eathother are from the future TerrasJ: or Cameron suspect anyways... Alexis: Oh, I see, you're right, might be half and half, I suppose... (I would hate a Riley-centered ep. TerrasJ: I could be wrong TerrasJ: its just a rough guess, a shot in the dark TerrasJ: Cameron's glicth also leaves alot of clues up in the air Alexis: right, everything we say here is just pure speculation, hee Alexis: oh, yeah, I can't wait to see what's coming up with Cam's chip. TerrasJ: Does Cameron go off the deepend ? or does her Alison persona come back? or ? Alexis: wow!! that would be great!! TerrasJ: the Alison persona already caused some trouble before, with the women's shelter TerrasJ: maybe theres still some ramifications from that episode yet coming back to bite the Connors Alexis: I can imagine Cameron (turning into Alison again) giving us a lot of great insights into the future! TerrasJ: yeah that'd be cool TerrasJ: and just on the offshoot goofball idea - Cam glitches results in her making a pass at John Maybe as Cam or Alison persona TerrasJ: would sure freak out John Alexis: lol - or better, sudenly she might start flirting with him TerrasJ: yeah, that'd make john uncomfortable... especially her last approach in the bedroom scene there... TerrasJ: *since her Alexis: that was seriously disturbing for the poor boy, hee hee TerrasJ: yup
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Post by wb5 on Feb 18, 2009 15:08:06 GMT -5
Ok folks, I'm calling it.. THIS ONE will be a Cameron centric episode. I got a feeling. I hope Toni Graphia doesn't prove me wrong heh You called it! ;D Sounds exciting - though I hope that Cameron doesn't go bad much like the last time, with the "regrettable consequences" not the result of Cameron going violent against the Connors again. Been there, done that. But I think Toni Graphia will come up with something different. I'm wondering if we'll finally learn what happened in the basement of "Dungeons and dragons", between Derek and (we suppose) Cameron. Brian Austin Green promised we would find out more in the back 9, this looks like it could be the episode to do so. The consequences of this being out in the open may not be pleasant for everyone involved, considering Derek's very agitated reaction at their first meeting in the present. She lies! She always lies!. Ah, what went on in that basement? John and Cameron still have not told Sarah anything about her major "glitch" in "Allison of Palmdale" (though Sarah may have an inkling due to what Cromartie told her), so if this comes out in the open at least there may be more unpleasant consequences. Alexis' idea that Cameron's continuing chip troubles could be the reason for possibly leaving the Connors sounds plausible to me, given what Dekker told us. If Cameron's glitches lead her to take an unplanned road trip again, she just may happen to come across John Henry by accident - now that could be one interesting meeting, especially with Cameron not quite firing on all cylinders. Interesting also that Riley is afraid Cameron may discover her secret; this indicates that she hasn't told John the truth yet but also that she is back around and is likely back in contact with the Connors (otherwise she wouldn't know about Cameron, I suppose). I don't think she met Cameron in the future though (Cameron may discover her secret by other means, not necessarily connected to the glitches/memories); Derek doesn't know her, as tunnel rat she didn't fight Terminators and she likely was never captured either. Unless Riley and Jesse were captured and are working for the machines a la the greys, but that seems rather unlikely. I feel like there are a number of exciting episodes coming up!
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