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Post by t101 on Feb 18, 2009 15:10:10 GMT -5
Gulp! Another defected chip episode. I hope it answers a lot of questions about Cameron, rather than being another episode where Cameron goes crazy, because that is going to drive a lot of fans and critics nuts. Allison from Palmdale had answers. But as much as I think it was a good episode, it wasn't about Cameron as a character, it was about Allison. So I agree with some of the others, I don't really want an episode of Cameron basically not being herself. I want character development with Cameron being Cameron. I want a Self Made Man like episode but this time with the main cast and main plot involved, not terminator of the week and a guy we're never going to see again. I want to see the relationships move forward. Too much meaty relationship material has stayed 'bottled up' throughout almost the whole season. |
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Post by wb5 on Feb 18, 2009 15:12:24 GMT -5
I would love to see Eric again in an episode, or at least hear about him, even if it would be only through Cameron finding out if he died or got better.
Regarding Cameron, it may be that her pre-"scrubbing" memories may come back permanently. It could have awkward consequences, maybe even bring her to doubt her loyalties, not because of an implanted command but out of genuine confusion of whether she wants to fight for the Connors or for Skynet.
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Post by Alexis on Feb 18, 2009 16:00:47 GMT -5
Interesting also that Riley is afraid Cameron may discover her secret; this indicates that she hasn't told John the truth yet but also that she is back around and is likely back in contact with the Connors (otherwise she wouldn't know about Cameron, I suppose). I don't think she met Cameron in the future though (Cameron may discover her secret by other means, not necessarily connected to the glitches/memories) A remote but interesting possibility has occurred to my while reading your post, wb5. A possible key for Cameron to figure out Riley's secret might be the language, more specifically the idioms like "carrots and apples". If she accidentally uses one of those Cameron automatically would discover that she's from the future. Notice what John told Riley: "Carrots and apples? I don't think that's really an expresion. I don't know, maybe if you're on a farm". He couldn't figure out the meaning of the expresion, just because that meaning wasn't socially settled down yet. Cameron, who comes from the future, is highly likely to recognize it instantly though.  Besides, that expresion was used again by Jesse in the future insight we had in Alpine Fields, but she just said "apples", also meaning "happy thoughts". That would give an unexpected relevance to what seemed to be just a detail so far. Don't you think?  |
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Post by wb5 on Feb 18, 2009 17:03:53 GMT -5
I have been told that the "apples" is a really existing Australian expression, though, not purely something from the (TSCC) future (not sure about the "carrot" part, though). Any Australians here who can confirm or deny this? But regardless, the use of the phrase would still be suspicious as Riley's backstory very likely does not involve Australia. Derek and probably Cameron may know where the phrase comes from, and the robot would likely try to find out more as she is already highly suspicious of Riley. Allison from Palmdale had answers. But as much as I think it was a good episode, it wasn't about Cameron as a character, it was about Allison. I don't agree entirely (though granted, it mostly was about Allison). We did learn something about what Cameron was/did pre-reprogramming, and we also learnt she can imagine to be Allison, convincing not only others but also herself that she is human. It may not be "normal" Cameron, but it did show a glimpse of just what capacities, even for emotion, she has. Her reaction to Jody at the end was also interesting. |
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Post by Alexis on Feb 18, 2009 18:45:21 GMT -5
I have been told that the "apples" is a really existing Australian expression, though, not purely something from the (TSCC) future (not sure about the "carrot" part, though). Any Australians here who can confirm or deny this? But regardless, the use of the phrase would still be suspicious as Riley's backstory very likely does not involve Australia. Derek and probably Cameron may know where the phrase comes from, and the robot would likely try to find out more as she is already highly suspicious of Riley. Allison from Palmdale had answers. But as much as I think it was a good episode, it wasn't about Cameron as a character, it was about Allison. I don't agree entirely (though granted, it mostly was about Allison). We did learn something about what Cameron was/did pre-reprogramming, and we also learnt she can imagine to be Allison, convincing not only others but also herself that she is human. It may not be "normal" Cameron, but it did show a glimpse of just what capacities, even for emotion, she has. Her reaction to Jody at the end was also interesting. Oh, I didn't know that that was actually a real expression. Well, I was just speculating about the future slang. ;D Now, regarding your second comment. I totally agree with you. Alison From Palmdale tells us a lot about Cameron at the same time. For example: After watching that episode, we know (or at least, we can infer) that she has a complex "psychological structure", just as complex as human. If her system is damaged she may suffer a "disorder of personality", just like humans. She's quite like a schizophrenic person right now, with multiple identities, each one trying to take control over her body. She has some "blocked memories" and "blackouts". The damage to her chip makes those "blocked memories" surface and that could reveal a lot of important things we don't know yet. Might be something else about Alison or maybe about that Cameron before the reprogramming. Anyway, all this contribute to explore and deepen Cameron's character. _________________________ A side note: When Cameron cried for the first time (regardless she was just emulating what Alison did) there was a HUGE reference to T2's uncle Bob: "Now I understand why you cry, but it's something I could never do" - Cameron can really cry and, actually, she wasn't emulating Allison the second time she cried, when she cried after Alison's pregnant mother didn't recognize her as her daughter. That reaction was certainly Cameron's. [I mean, she didn't "copy" that reaction from someone else, it was her]. So, I think yes, that episode was indirectly telling us a lot about Cameron as a really "different" type of cyborg whose potential goes far beyond just emulating human behaviour.
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Post by thecolours on Feb 18, 2009 23:51:39 GMT -5
Ausiello is reporting that one of Cameron's female co-stars is doing to die in this episode. Bye Riley! "Question: Any rumors, tidbits, scoops, or details regarding Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles? Is what I fear most about to pass -- is Summer Glau leaving the show? -- Kevin B. Ausiello: No, but one of her female co-stars is on March 6." ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/02/ask-ausiello--2.html#more |
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Post by t101 on Feb 19, 2009 4:14:52 GMT -5
^ Nope. Thomas Dekker said in the chat that his most difficult scene will be with Riley in episode 18. So, bye bye Jesse.
Unless of course he messed up with the episode order.
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Post by nordwest on Feb 19, 2009 8:43:42 GMT -5
I know only a one liner of the episode and I am already worried, that we might get something cheap.
I do not want to see a character grow just by accident like a chip malfunction. I think, that it much more interesting to let them develope out of their own. This means in the case of Cameron out of her being a Skynet terminator imperfectly reprogrammed by future John. This might be also the bigger challenge in writing.
I have to admin that I have a problem with the getting crazy story lines at all. This includes also Sarah's three dot obsession.
Another point on Riley: I think that it is very important for the John character that he get the truth of Riley on his own and without or only little help by his favorite robot.
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Post by k8ie on Feb 19, 2009 11:57:12 GMT -5
^ Nope. Thomas Dekker said in the chat that his most difficult scene will be with Riley in episode 18. So, bye bye Jesse. Unless of course he messed up with the episode order. The production order and the order in which the shows air often doesn't match (even when FOX isn't jerking the sched around). And that doesn't even take ghosts, flashbacks/forwards, and POV switches - all of which TSCC has used in the past. And y'know, it could always be Savannah who buys it. |
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Post by t101 on Feb 19, 2009 12:59:03 GMT -5
There is a decent enough chance that Dekker got the episodes mixed up. I'm just saying there is no reason to assume just jet. I don't think Savannah is a noteworthy enough character to be mentioned this way, but Jesse is.
Either way I hope finally the Riley secret will come out and we get the dramatic fallout from that to start happening.
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Post by wb5 on Feb 19, 2009 18:15:05 GMT -5
Another point on Riley: I think that it is very important for the John character that he get the truth of Riley on his own and without or only little help by his favorite robot. Riley may just tell him in the end - but John will likely grow suspicious all by himself. Cameron's suspicions by themselves would be dismissed unless she has serious proof, I think. He knows Cameron doesn't like Riley and sees her as a security risk that needs to be removed. |
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Post by t101 on Feb 20, 2009 19:04:34 GMT -5
Now imagine if it's CW who bites it. How crazy would that be?
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Post by k8ie on Feb 20, 2009 19:08:12 GMT -5
No proof just a gut instinct that tells me that Weaver will be around to cause trouble a little while longer.
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Post by allergygal on Feb 20, 2009 21:36:54 GMT -5
According to Asuello one of the female co-stars dies in ep. 17. It is not Cameron, it is not Sarah, and now we know it is not Jesse. I really don't think CW bites it this early. I don't think any of the minor characters (Savannah, pregnant neighbor, etc.) would be noteworthy enough to single out this way. So if not Riley, then who? If some female does die in this ep, I'm think it'll be an episode guest star. I'd be shocked if Riley died (this soon anyway). |
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Post by k8ie on Feb 21, 2009 0:05:44 GMT -5
Why must you dash my hopes?
Really, I've been ready for Riley to die ever since we found out she was future!rat... when I thought she was a flake, I was more interested. Now I just think she's pitiable - she obviously has no real interest in John. I don't think she wants to mess him up but the person she's really wants attention from is Jesse, who would "step over her dead body for a stick of gum."
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