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Post by stealthgear on Mar 6, 2009 21:09:25 GMT -5
What the hell, my fave character is gone. Now what am I supposed to do? I am soo sick of looking at Jesse. Now there will be more eps of her, and no sunshine (Riley) left in the show.
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Post by ga5speed02 on Mar 6, 2009 21:11:16 GMT -5
wow. thsi is one of the all time best episodes ever. im so hyped on adrenaline i dont know where to begin. coming off of last weeks slower episode this just took off.
i didnt see Jessie being the consular. Riley growing a pair was cool, but she died so i guess that cool too. now she will have to face dereks questions about the bruises. the effects were cool when Cameron was repairing herself. i liked how john was learning more on how to repair the terminators so future john can repair them to send them back threw time. the chick that hit on derek was sort of pointless.
great episode!
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Post by VALIANT CHAMPION on Mar 6, 2009 21:13:58 GMT -5
I can't believe how wimpy Jesse is. I bet if Sarah and her have it out the fight will not last long. In a way it is Sarah's place to seek vengeance. Riley was a surrogate daughter to her in a sense.
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Post by stealthgear on Mar 6, 2009 21:54:22 GMT -5
I can't believe how wimpy Jesse is. I bet if Sarah and her have it out the fight will not last long. In a way it is Sarah's place to seek vengeance. Riley was a surrogate daughter to her in a sense. I think Derek might get blamed for this in the end. I think he should send Jesse back to the hell she came from. Also, do you think future john might be a little psychotic and is manipulating himself in a bad way? Thats what I've been thinking.
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Post by terrasj on Mar 6, 2009 22:17:07 GMT -5
The John / Cam scenes were touching. Its a bit touch and go there for a while, John wasn't too happy about Cam stashing some parts, though she explained with good reasoning - Future John knows more than current John... As well as now she needs fixing theres some spare parts to fix her with. And John did realize and tell her the damage is because she's not supposed to be fighting or built to fight other Terminators. He said it it with genuine care. Later it was pretty sweet Cam offering to make John a sandwich. Loved the dialogue there, between those two. To paraphrase it: Cam's supposed to be proficient in self repair, though sometimes its nice being given a hand. Thus her offering to make John a sandwich in return. Though John declines. This nicely sets up for later... Theres some tense and iffy moments there between Cam and Riley in the garage. Nothing happens though as John shows up... Later, last scene of the show, (IMHO well done, well written, and pretty heavy) Cam's in the garage, John finds her there... Wondering why she's there so long. Cameron's putting the finishing touches on something she's making for John... She tells John she can't self terminate, but he can Terminate her should he ever need to. Its a remote kill switch made out of an old fashioned pocket watch, on a necklace. The other half of it, Cam planted within herself. She puts it around John's neck. Its fairly clear John's having trouble with this, the thought that he may have to put her down eventually, and as much as he smarts her off sometimes, that bond / attachment is still certainly there and strong. Even in the current episode - where John's warning Cam not to hurt or do anything to Riley because its not her decision to make. All that is set aside for the moment because its about Cameron's future - which he cares alot about. John asks what would Future John do. She says Future John isn't here right now, but you (present John) are. She puts the necklace around John's neck, he holds the device then puts it under his shirt. Theres one heck of an awesome cinimatic camera shot as John exits the garage, then looks back at the garage. It a beautiful shot, considering its emphasizing yet one more step John is coming into his future self. Its just the camera angle, lighting, the pose and from what just transpired a few moments before makes it a pretty epic end of episode, and a wonderfull (if somewhat dark) foreboding for the next several episodes. Possibly one more heavy burden placed on John's shoulders, probably one thing he'll hate doing the most should it come down to it... Definite kudos to the writers and directors on this episode. I loved it. There was tense scenes between the characters, some unexpected surprises (Riley), and also for the John / Cam scenes. There was a nice touch of T2 closeness between John's affection for his protective Terminators. Btw folks, hop into the chatroom! nice discussion going on about the episode
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Post by thecolours on Mar 6, 2009 22:30:15 GMT -5
I can't believe how wimpy Jesse is. I bet if Sarah and her have it out the fight will not last long. In a way it is Sarah's place to seek vengeance. Riley was a surrogate daughter to her in a sense. I think Derek might get blamed for this in the end. I think he should send Jesse back to the hell she came from. Also, do you think future john might be a little psychotic and is manipulating himself in a bad way? Thats what I've been thinking. From the previews it appears as if Sarah is blaming Cameron for it. And, Jesse is going to convince Derek that Cameron did it too.
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Post by VALIANT CHAMPION on Mar 6, 2009 22:38:46 GMT -5
I think John will put up a fight to protect her. I know he sincerely believes that what Cameron said about Riley in the garage was the truth. I hate to think about the kill switch thing though. If he pushes that button the character of Cameron is gone. The explosive is right next to her chip. Which if they were going to kill the series oh well. I don't see Allison from Palmdale zapping into the past unless its from a different timeline. Which that would be awesome in a way if by some way Cameron's intervention caused John to look for Allison in the future and send her back in time to be with his younger self. Of course Allison wouldnt have an endoskeleton but she would still be tough as nails I bet.
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Post by terrasj on Mar 6, 2009 23:30:02 GMT -5
Agreed. its in the spoiler reel for the next eps that he does just that. Now that Riley's gone, that season1 closeness between John and Cam will return. Though we shouldn't be talking future eps in this thread Even Cameron is experiencing glitches, I can't think of a more loyal way of showing her dedication and trust in John than with the Kill switch. Protecting John's life is/was in her hands, and now in turn, her life is explicitly in John's hands. I'm just in the chatroom with Rift, to bad nobody else is joining...
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Post by thecolours on Mar 6, 2009 23:33:59 GMT -5
Where to begin with this episode?
OK, did anyone else jump when Cameron made her fingers twitch with the screwdriver? lol
I love the use of foreshadowing with the bird from "The Mouse Trap."
I felt this was Levin's best job of acting in the series. To bad it was her last. Well, she does play dead in the next episode. So, some might say that will be her best acting job. I kid. I kid.
Did anyone else think Sarah was going to kill Riley, when she cocked the 9mm? She thought better of it, and took out the clip, and discharged the bullet in the chamber. It was very subtle, but effective.
And lastly, I think Cameron's mission is starting to become more obvious.
Suddenly, her actions in "Goodbye to All That" make a lot more sense. She didn't intervene at the Cadet Academy, because it was a big moment in John's development as a leader. She would have stepped in, if John was about to be killed, but she wanted John to take care of the problem himself.
That's why she invited John to fix her arm. It was another step forward in young John's development. I believe, future John told Cameron to make sure his younger self knows how to repair her, in case anything drastic happens.
Also, for what it's worth, I don't think future John ever told her to put a self-destruct bomb next to her chip. She did that on her own accord, breaking Future John's order( and his heart....aww).
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Post by VALIANT CHAMPION on Mar 6, 2009 23:54:10 GMT -5
She does seem to be subordinating herself to the present day John. This could be in her mission parameters even. That once he reaches a certian level of wisdom he becomes future John.
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Post by Rift on Mar 6, 2009 23:56:05 GMT -5
Did anyone else think it was kinda strange how John said she wasn't designed to fight? What??? It flies in the face of what he said at the beginning of "Self Made Man" about Cameron being one of the most advanced killing machines every designed Hmm... seems like a contradiction to me. I thought that John meant that she wasn't designed for fighting other Terminators.
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Post by thecolours on Mar 7, 2009 0:03:39 GMT -5
Did anyone else think it was kinda strange how John said she wasn't designed to fight? What??? It flies in the face of what he said at the beginning of "Self Made Man" about Cameron being one of the most advanced killing machines every designed Hmm... seems like a contradiction to me. I thought that John meant that she wasn't designed for fighting other Terminators. Why would John send her back, if she wasn't capable of fighting other terminators? She wouldn't be a very good protector.
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Post by Rift on Mar 7, 2009 0:10:05 GMT -5
Well, Uncle Bob was pretty much taken off the assembly line and sent back for the events of T2. He was originally designed to kill humans same as every Terminator so I suppose it could be a similar situation. I'm not saying its a good explanation, but that could be what they were trying to convey.
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Post by VALIANT CHAMPION on Mar 7, 2009 0:10:36 GMT -5
I thought that John meant that she wasn't designed for fighting other Terminators. Why would John send her back, if she wasn't capable of fighting other terminators? She wouldn't be a very good protector. Well Cameron is not a TX. Nor is she a T-1000. Her construction is not intended to fight other terminators. I would say models like the TX and T1000 werent exactly easy for the resistance to get their hands on. Camerons model was not any better designed to fight other terminators than 101s design to fight the T-1000 or the TX.
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Post by thecolours on Mar 7, 2009 0:21:04 GMT -5
Ok. I take back my comments. I'm sorry...
Terminators, all models, are designed to kill humans, not each other. Even though, John may reprogram them to do his bidding, that dosen't change their core design.
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