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Post by hzhp800 on Dec 10, 2008 2:42:50 GMT -5
I keep forgetting to mention this, but did anyone notice that the last scene with Sarah and the family at the diner was Luke's Diner from Gilmore Girls? Fun. Sarah should have ordered a really big coffee I actually did notice. Well, actually, I asked my girlfriend if she thought it looked like Luke's diner because I knew they were using the old Stars Hollow sets. She couldn't tell, so I wasn't positive. The curtains and the door sure looked the same though.
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Post by Derek Reese on Dec 10, 2008 2:49:03 GMT -5
I keep forgetting to mention this, but did anyone notice that the last scene with Sarah and the family at the diner was Luke's Diner from Gilmore Girls? Fun. Sarah should have ordered a really big coffee Noticed that as well.
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Post by potomac79 on Dec 10, 2008 3:04:44 GMT -5
I do have a continuity/rules of the universe question: why wasn't Charles Barkley (the dog) Charles Barking his head off whenever Cameron was around? It's not like she had a special power over dogs, before, that other Terminators don't (witness Carlos' dogs in "Gnothi Seauton"). Shoot, even the Aibo barked at her in "Queen's Gambit" (which was a hilarious shot, btw).
I did like when the family asked if they could take the dog, Sarah and Cameron said, "No!" simultaneously.
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Post by schmacky on Dec 10, 2008 3:13:03 GMT -5
The only time frame I can reference for the "six months ago" flashback in Alpine Fields is that it had to be after Automatic for the People because that's when Sarah discovered the blood wall (Alpine Fields is on that). That was early-mid Nov (day after John's birthday, whatever date that is). If that's the furthest back the flashback could be, it puts our present time at at least May 2008. So unless next week's ep fills in some blanks, Kacy should have a 4 month old+ baby next time we see her. Ellison should have been teaching John Henry ethics and morals for at least 6 months. And, my God, Sarah must be completely insane if she's been hunting 3 dots for 6 months with no success! What makes you think that Sarah and Cameron at the cabin is around the same time as the 3 dots or John Henry? The cabin story could have taken place around the Mousetrap. Weeks could have passed since the Mexico thing and weeks and weeks could have passed since Sarah's dreams.
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Post by terrasj on Dec 10, 2008 3:15:10 GMT -5
I do have a continuity/rules of the universe question: why wasn't Charles Barkley (the dog) Charles Barking his head off whenever Cameron was around? It's not like she had a special power over dogs, before, that other Terminators don't (witness Carlos' dogs in "Gnothi Seauton"). Shoot, even the Aibo barked at her in "Queen's Gambit" (which was a hilarious shot, btw). I did like when the family asked if they could take the dog, Sarah and Cameron said, "No!" simultaneously. I thought the dog did bark at first when Cameron entered the scene... As for after that? I dunno... Unless storywise the time spent in the cabin was longer than what was aired? Long enough for the dog to just give up and go sit in the corner, not sensing any threat? Or unless Cameron kept her distance far enough from the dog. Realistically, it would've been annoying the whole time the dog would be barking endlessly, and an earsore I imagine. Its not like they had a lack of animal trainers/handlers onhand to keep the dog barking on que.
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Post by DEM on Dec 10, 2008 3:54:22 GMT -5
Cameron and Charles Barkley were only together twice, and on both occasions the dog barked. He wasn't in the cabin when Sarah and Cameron first showed up; he entered thru that side (back?) door right as everyone was leaving... leading to the Great Synchronised "No". Later, he started growling and then barking right before Cameron made her long-awaited and mysteriously crash-test-dummy-like arrival through the window. He kept barking and growling until he ran outside and met his untimely, yelpy demise.
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Post by finalcylon on Dec 10, 2008 5:01:27 GMT -5
Plus, she was down for a longer time than a typical reboot requires. Something was definitely wrong. People keep pointing out Cameron's lengthy unconscious time this episode, but you do realize that Cameron has NEVER been down for the standard reboot time, right? Back in season 1, I timed it. Cameron is fundamentally different. I wrote back in February (on scifi.com): [In Gnothi Seauton] Cameron's "reboot" time is about 100 seconds. (She got electrocuted and knocked out, then 80 seconds later she was tossed out a second story window, then 20 seconds later she woke up.) She had said the [Cromarty] Terminator's reboot time was 120 seconds. If she is consistent at 100 seconds in later reboots, then it will be evidence that she is indeed rebooting, but that her model has a quicker reboot time than the [Cromarty] Terminator model. Personally, I think she has a human brain and had a random "reboot" time.
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Post by littleb on Dec 10, 2008 5:07:14 GMT -5
<shrugs> She's consistent though, she gave little Marty her phone number and a code word. Would you seriously want that family hanging out with you 24/7?! She knew the Terminator would find them, she just didn't know when, hence the phone number. Who knows, maybe it's a special number for "Arrgh, T888 on my ass!" She's kinda got a lot on her plate, baby-sitting every potential target might not be possible. Big Martin Bleddell was cut loose to go and do his thang, so it's not the first time this has happened, there was always the potential for something else to come back and hunt him all over again. I think in terms of a TV show we've got to let it go, otherwise the Connors are going to have to start renting a block of flats or something.
I'm guessing Ellison will be dealt with, he's obviously got a larger role to play and at the time Sarah told him to go, she didn't know he was playing about with a big AI company (still doesn't.) Charley went and got himself another TV show so keeping him around wasn't going to work out. In terms of medical expertise, I'm sure Cameron would have "detailed files on human anatomy" and Derek seems to have a handle on field medicine so they should be ok on that score. Personally, it was more unrealistic for SuperParamedic to keep showing up and performing surgery in the ambulance he just seemed to own than to not have him around (much as I liked the character.)
I think, within the limits of a TV show, they're doing alright.
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Post by rove3 on Dec 10, 2008 9:37:42 GMT -5
Lol wb5, looks like the writers fumbled themselves with their own time-loop paradox there. Its fairly easy to read too much into that "thankyou for..." line. On one hand, she's thanking him that moment for saving her sister, bringing her back to the bunker, that Sydney wasn't one of the infected, but the cure holder. On the other hand, the same future Derek was in Lauren's past, and she immediately recognized that, so it could've meant a thanks for both past and future. But had she said thanks for 2007, thats a fact that only her future self knew so yeah, future Derek would've been weirded out since he hadn't gone back to 2007 yet... I had assumed that the FF scenes were really just present day Derek's memories of the future as he recalled them, triggered by meeting the younger versions of both Sydney and Lauren. So maybe it's possible that the "new" future has changed and Derek doesn't meet either Sydney or Lauren in it or maybe he meets them under different circumstances. Would it make a difference now that Lauren knows about the special role her sister will play? This time travel stuff totally messes with your head. I really liked Lauren too and kind of wished she had taken Derek up on his offer. I think she could have provided a damn good example to John of how to set priorities and act responsibly. I really liked the episode and didn't find it confusing at all. I admit though that I just watch and enjoy it and don't obsess over every little detail. I can only maintain that level of scrutiny with one show at a time and right now I reserve that for LOST. My brain can not handle any more.
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Post by bowman on Dec 10, 2008 10:34:17 GMT -5
Wait, I almost forgot about that one detail - the submarine story of Jesse's ... She talked about they're growing/ producing food now, and mentions the the submarine Captain, Derek asked who is he, Jesse says - not he, but 'it' ... Implying a metal... A Metal submarine captain! I'll have to get a copy off my friend to re-watch, but I gotta rewatch that scene again, what exactly she was talking about the Sub Captain, some line he always expresses or something. It makes me wonder why she in the present day hates metals soo much (or is her hate just limited to Cameron?) 'We have a scrubbed T-888 for a captain' is what she said - whatever 'scrubbed' implies. After that, 'have a little faith, mate [something Aussie and unintelligible] - means we'll be alright', which seems a bit un-Jesse I admit.
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Post by potomac79 on Dec 10, 2008 12:25:02 GMT -5
Cameron and Charles Barkley were only together twice, and on both occasions the dog barked. He wasn't in the cabin when Sarah and Cameron first showed up; he entered thru that side (back?) door right as everyone was leaving... leading to the Great Synchronised "No". Later, he started growling and then barking right before Cameron made her long-awaited and mysteriously crash-test-dummy-like arrival through the window. He kept barking and growling until he ran outside and met his untimely, yelpy demise. Yeah, he barked, but not the "TERMINATOR! Listen to me...TERMINATOR! WARNING! WARNING!" sort of incessant barking we all come to know and love. More of the "Someone new!" and "The window's broken! Did you see?!? And I smell a TERMINATOR DOWN THE ROAD!" In the past, being within a few tens of meters of a dog would have been enough to elicit a strong and consistent response. (<Sniff> I still miss "Wolfie"). 'course, with all the dogs in L.A. county, that would mean that Cameron wouldn't be able to go anywhere. Maybe she's able to be much closer before there is a reaction. Still, it would have been nice, during the getting acquainted kidnapping, to have a toss-away line like: "Someone lock that dog in a room." Or something.
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Post by thecolours on Dec 10, 2008 12:45:37 GMT -5
Plus, she was down for a longer time than a typical reboot requires. Something was definitely wrong. People keep pointing out Cameron's lengthy unconscious time this episode, but you do realize that Cameron has NEVER been down for the standard reboot time, right? Back in season 1, I timed it. Cameron is fundamentally different. I wrote back in February (on scifi.com): [In Gnothi Seauton] Cameron's "reboot" time is about 100 seconds. (She got electrocuted and knocked out, then 80 seconds later she was tossed out a second story window, then 20 seconds later she woke up.) She had said the [Cromarty] Terminator's reboot time was 120 seconds. If she is consistent at 100 seconds in later reboots, then it will be evidence that she is indeed rebooting, but that her model has a quicker reboot time than the [Cromarty] Terminator model. Personally, I think she has a human brain and had a random "reboot" time.How about in Samson and Delilah? Sarah counted down 120 seconds with a stop watch. There's no ambiguity there.
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Post by aceplace57 on Dec 10, 2008 13:43:40 GMT -5
Cameron and Charles Barkley were only together twice, and on both occasions the dog barked. ...... He kept barking and growling until he ran outside and met his untimely, yelpy demise. Yeah, he barked, but not the "TERMINATOR! Listen to me...TERMINATOR! WARNING! WARNING!" sort of incessant barking we all come to know and love. More of the "Someone new!" and "The window's broken! Did you see?!? And I smell a TERMINATOR DOWN THE ROAD!" In the past, being within a few tens of meters of a dog would have been enough to elicit a strong and consistent response. I've always thought dogs barked at Terminators because of high pitched sounds from their motors and hydraulics. Hydraulics require pumps to pressurize the oil. That's where the power comes from. Pumps are probably what the dog hears.
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Post by oneye on Dec 10, 2008 13:53:02 GMT -5
I thought the dogs barked at Teminators because their blood has a synthetic element to it, and the dogs can smell it. It's mentioned in T:TSCC.
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Post by vicheron on Dec 10, 2008 16:44:27 GMT -5
Or maybe dogs barked at Terminator because they smell like cats wrapped in bacon.
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