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Post by allergygal on Jan 29, 2010 4:31:20 GMT -5
I always thought Cameron was lying in Gnothi Seauton when Sarah asked her about scanning. [...] I agree that Self Made Man showed that she can, in fact, detect cancer. So either Cameron has been lying all along about Sarah having cancer or one of her mission objectives has been to keep an eye on her health to get a jump on treatment when it first shows up. If she's the best fighter, Cameron needs her around in good health. This is pretty much where I stand with this at the moment too because the idea of the writers callously sweeping "Lighthouse" and "SMM" under the rug just hurts too much to bear! Cameron lying to Sarah about it seems so much easier to accept, even though we aren't given any clear reasons yet as to why. Pushing Sarah to proactively seek treatment seems like a sensible reason, but if that were the case, I don't understand why Cameron couldn't have just told Sarah "No, you don't have it right now, but looking into it wouldn't be a bad idea." I don't think they were sweeping anything under the rug. Those bread crumbs were dropped along the way for a reason. I'm sure Cameron had a plan and she was manipulating John and Sarah both. We just don't know what her end game was. Like I said: shock-induced paralysis. It's the only way I can rationalize it... Oh yeah, big shock that Sarah wasn't going to leap to the other side of judgement day to help John find his cyborg girlfriend. It's a little better than denial, though Maybe I'll just go back to secret sibling: Sarah had twins originally and kept one hidden away as a contingency plan... That's my mom. She always plans ahead. Now that John #1 is gone, she'll go pick up John #2 from some small village in Central America. ;D
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Post by littleb on Jan 29, 2010 4:56:41 GMT -5
It made no sense - from a continuity POV - for Sarah to outright deny any weight loss to the doctor in Lighthouse and then, two episodes (and not much time at all because they all ran in very close succession in terms of time passing) later Cameron's claiming that she's lost so much of her body mass she'd practically be invisible if she stood side-on. <laughs> Dude, it's totally true! The girl's barely got an ounce on her, she'd be skeletal she lost that much weight. Yeah if there was that much weight loss and especially in such a short period of time (11% of body mass in 6 weeks!), Sarah would know. I don't care how preoccupied you are with killer machines, when your pants are falling off and you have to punch a new hole in your belt, you'd notice it and you'd mention it to the doctor you've gone to see about a breast lump. ITA. It was that that pissed me off. "Any unexplained weight loss?" "No." So, unless she'd decided to crash diet (and breakfasting on pancakes doesn't particularly strike me as someone crash dieting... hmmm, although these are Sarah's pancakes we're talking about so don't take that as gospel!) there wasn't any pound-shedding going on. It doesn't add up at all, so I think Cameron had to be completely lying about that weight loss. Does John then get a dunce award for buying it? Hmm. Mom doesn't look like she's lost much weight, but I guess if Cameron says it, I believe it. I learned my lesson with the Riley thing. I'll never doubt Cameron again... even when it defies logic! I would go with that as an explanation had it not been for Sarah's reaction to John's question in BTR. I also can't see the logic of Cameron lying. But then, I can't see Cameron's logic 99% of the time and I think half of that is down to the fact that there didn't seem to be a coherent plan for her. She jumps to protect John. She then jumps time to protect Sarah from an untimely death. She gets all squirrely and starts following an unknown agenda of her own, collecting bits and pieces and telling fibs. She gets blown up and starts glitching. She knows Jesse. She knows about "will you join us" She gets really really squirrely and jumps all over John to get him to bend to her will. She decides to undermine Sarah by suggesting to John that Sarah's sick - so he will what? Follow Cam? Stick around and look after his mom? She jumps to who the hell knows where to do who the hell knows what? I never really considered that Cam might suggest Sarah is sick so that John WON'T try and follow her when she jumps. I mean, it obviously back-fired so possibly she should've left the seduction attempt out of it, but maybe she wanted him to stay with Sarah because she already knew where she was heading and wanted John safe. Hmmm... I always thought Cameron was lying in Gnothi Seauton when Sarah asked her about scanning. Maybe that's why she specified "you mean... CAT scans?" — so she could answer "no" without actually lying (but then Cameron's never exactly had a problem with the lying). I agree that Self Made Man showed that she can, in fact, detect cancer. So either Cameron has been lying all along about Sarah having cancer or one of her mission objectives has been to keep an eye on her health to get a jump on treatment when it first shows up. If she's the best fighter, Cameron needs her around in good health. Or maybe... and this is just a theory... the writers forgot about Gnothi when they wrote SMM and forgot about Lighthouse when they wrote BTR... I mean, it's just a theory... <sigh> Is it so difficult to keep notes on this stuff? If she was around keeping an eye on Sarah's health, she missed that lump in Lighthouse and seems to have left her shedding weight for six weeks without intervening. Sarah doesn't deny it because it's vague. "Mom, are you sick? Cameron thinks you're sick... you've lost weight." I always read it as; Sarah doesn't deny it because it's true. It instantly struck me that way and it's never seemed any different. If she wasn't sick, if she hadn't lost the weight then it would have been the easiest thing in the world for him to reassure him at that point - especially under those circumstances. They're going into a potentially deadly confrontation with an unknown quantity, the last thing she would want is John worrying about her being sick/vulnerable. She'd want him focusing on whatever they were about to encounter, not her health. Which means the continuity paid the price for a shoe-horned plot point. One of my own personal hates was John getting implicit confirmation from his mother that yes, she was sick, and five minutes later jumping into a time bubble after his robot. I can't get past that and it's one reason I've not seen the episode for a long time and prefer to pretend that it didn't happen. That didn't happen. John Connor would never choose helping a robot over helping his own mom. Denial isn't such a bad place Yeah, just call me Cleopatra.
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Post by allergygal on Feb 1, 2010 6:21:40 GMT -5
I would go with that as an explanation had it not been for Sarah's reaction to John's question in BTR. I also can't see the logic of Cameron lying. But then, I can't see Cameron's logic 99% of the time and I think half of that is down to the fact that there didn't seem to be a coherent plan for her. She jumps to protect John. She then jumps time to protect Sarah from an untimely death. She gets all squirrely and starts following an unknown agenda of her own, collecting bits and pieces and telling fibs. She gets blown up and starts glitching. She knows Jesse. She knows about "will you join us" She gets really really squirrely and jumps all over John to get him to bend to her will. She decides to undermine Sarah by suggesting to John that Sarah's sick - so he will what? Follow Cam? Stick around and look after his mom? She jumps to who the hell knows where to do who the hell knows what? I never really considered that Cam might suggest Sarah is sick so that John WON'T try and follow her when she jumps. I mean, it obviously back-fired so possibly she should've left the seduction attempt out of it, but maybe she wanted him to stay with Sarah because she already knew where she was heading and wanted John safe. Hmmm... Cameron wanted John to jump. I feel sure of that. The not!sex was entirely too unnecessary for it not to be a final seduction and the only reason for Cameron to do that would be to dig her claws in even deeper. She's been seducing him little by little since the very beginning — walking by in undies, flirting, joking, doing his homework, making sure she learns about anything John is experiencing (like grief), telling him she understands him and what he's feeling, keeping his secrets. With the exception of having to prevent him from trying to save the roof jumper girl, everything she did in season 1 was to win him over. Had it not been for the explosion and KILL JOHN glitch, it would've continued. Once she sort of gets back on her game, she attempts to get between John and Riley, but it comes across more as jealousy and it turns him off instead of on (lying next to him in bed in Mr Ferguson didn't work at all). I think Earthlings becomes the real turning point in season 2. That's when Cameron's insists Riley is lying and John finds out a few episodes later, that she was right. In the meantime, she spends time gaining his trust by confessing about killing the pigeon and giving him the kill switch watch. The not!sex at the motel was meant to vindicate her as the cause of Sarah's supposed cancer and to pull him closer. I'm certain Cameron wanted him to jump. I'm just not fixed yet on why. The "I'm sorry John" on screen was meant to cause an emotional reaction in him and it goes back to S&D. When he was about to yank her chip then, she tried pleading with him, saying " I'm sorry, John" and telling him he could trust her. But it's when she said "I love you and you love me," that she blew it — she pushed it too far and had to prove it all to him later. So after the motel bit and then seeing "I'm sorry, John" on screen, I think he believed she had feelings for him and he jumped through time to get her chip back. So why tell John about the cancer? I've tried to go with the idea that if Sarah thought she was dying then she'd be less likely to stop John from jumping and also less likely to go with him. But that really doesn't make sense because Cameron tells John and not Sarah. If she wanted Sarah to know, she could've just told her directly. So the weight loss/cancer info had to be part of the manipulation of John. I don't think cancer is a motivator to get John to jump (the not!sex is enough). In fact, I don't even think cancer is on his mind in the slightest after they got to Weaver's office. Things get crazy very quickly. Tech company CEO dissing mom and making me feel grown up! Drone! Liquid metal! 'Splosions! Running! The Turk! John had barely enough time to think OMG CAM CHIP GONE! before the time bubble starts counting down. If he was thinking OMG MOM HAS CANCER!, he wouldn't have been so surprised that she wasn't going to come along on this little outing. Could Cameron know John so well that she'd anticipate him being suspicious of her nuclear power supply if he found out his mom had cancer? It's a stretch, but it does play out that way and it does then give her a reason to strip off her top and get cozy with him on the bed. How else could she initiate something like that without being obvious? I know you're mom's all locked up and you're worried, but this is as good a time as any to have a lesson in cyborg anatomics, so hop on. He might not have gone for it had it not been to make sure she wasn't the cause of cancer. As a bonus, Cameron can expect John to tell Sarah since it's kind of important, and coming from him instead of Cameron, it'll have a nice big emotional punch to it. Maybe just enough punch to leave her too emotionally weak to fight him when he's going to jump and also more resolved to stay behind and fight on to create a lovely future for him to land in. Any of that work? PS - I think the biggest failure with Cameron in season 2 is that she never followed Riley. By the time we get to Ourselves Alone, we're in 2009, I think, so John had been with Riley for well over a year. In all that time, Cameron never thought to follow the girl to make sure she wasn't a threat? That makes no sense at all. It also doesn't make any sense that Cameron never figured out that Jesse was there. I think that of all the story threads they had going this season, the Riley and Jesse plot was the least thought out. Or maybe I'm just hoping that's the case Or maybe... and this is just a theory... the writers forgot about Gnothi when they wrote SMM and forgot about Lighthouse when they wrote BTR... I mean, it's just a theory... <sigh> Is it so difficult to keep notes on this stuff? If she was around keeping an eye on Sarah's health, she missed that lump in Lighthouse and seems to have left her shedding weight for six weeks without intervening. LOL. No, I don't think they forgot, but point taken about Cameron not knowing about the breast lump. In her defense, though, that wasn't cancer. It was just a cyst. But really, even if Cameron can't detect cancer, you'd think she could detect a freaking transmitter! I always read it as; Sarah doesn't deny it because it's true. It instantly struck me that way and it's never seemed any different. If she wasn't sick, if she hadn't lost the weight then it would have been the easiest thing in the world for him to reassure him at that point - especially under those circumstances. They're going into a potentially deadly confrontation with an unknown quantity, the last thing she would want is John worrying about her being sick/vulnerable. She'd want him focusing on whatever they were about to encounter, not her health. Which means the continuity paid the price for a shoe-horned plot point. If John had said "Cameron thinks you're sick because you've lost 11% of your body mass in the last six weeks", I think Sarah might've reacted more puzzled. It was, what, maybe two or three days after her visit with the doctor that John says that? And like you pointed out, Sarah didn't think she'd even lost any weight then (certainly not enough to warrant a mention). She'd been "distracted" for a while before that, having been kidnapped and killed someone, but still... when your clothes start getting bigger on you, you notice. I think when John spoke, all Sarah heard was YOU ARE DYING OF CANCER RIGHT NOW! She'd been waiting for that moment for like a year and a half, ever since Cameron first told her she'd died of cancer in the past. So yeah, she did think it was true. I know Sarah doesn't say much normally, but after that I think she would've had to tell John about Cameron telling her she died from cancer. She was saved by the elevator showing up, though, and she had no idea that was going to be the last moment she'd have alone with John.
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Post by VALIANT CHAMPION on Mar 8, 2010 22:42:16 GMT -5
I cant remember if it was this episode but I wanted to ask the question about the last t888. The one that Weaver electrocuted.
Was that the one that was sealed in the fallout shelter in "Heavy Metal"?
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Post by allergygal on Mar 9, 2010 0:27:19 GMT -5
I cant remember if it was this episode but I wanted to ask the question about the last t888. The one that Weaver electrocuted. Was that the one that was sealed in the fallout shelter in "Heavy Metal"? No they were not the same.
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Post by gulde on Jul 18, 2010 19:03:16 GMT -5
Heh, just came here after exactly one year since I've finished watching the show for first time. Aye, sweet nostalgia...but screw it! I just want MOAR TSCC!
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Post by cromartie on Nov 1, 2010 20:26:27 GMT -5
Hi guys! I've finally watched the whole 2 seasons on DVD.
I was surprised by the final episode of Season 2: 1) I was expecting Catherine Weaver to kill John Connor on sight. 2) I was surprised when John Henry and Catherine Weaver were actually "Goodies" in the end.
Questions I want to ask: A) Did any of you know before the last episode that Catherine Weaver and JH were goodies? B) What is the significance of Savannah Weaver - is she a future resistance leader? C) What was the significance of the 3 dots? which became an obsession for Sarah. D) What was the significance of Jesse? E) What was the significance of the submarine story? Was it to show how Jesse became distrustful of terminators? She failed in separating JC from Cameron. F) Did Derek kill Jesse or not? G) Why did Derek die such an innocuous death at the hands of the Watercooler Terminator? The Derek we got to know wouldn't have been caught out that easily.
My Observations of the TSCC storylines: 1) It doesn't fit in with the movies T3 and T4. The timeline's messed up. 2) At the end of Season 2, JC meets Derek and Kyle Reese. If JC is to lead them in the resistance, he shouldn't send those who he loves to the past for their deaths. It's obvious that JC is there in the future and is to stay. There is no need to go back in time to conceive JC.
Nice viewing anyway!
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Post by allergygal on Nov 5, 2010 17:03:27 GMT -5
Hi guys! I've finally watched the whole 2 seasons on DVD. Congratulations I knew something was up when Kaliba used a worm to try to control John Henry, then tried to kill Savannah and Catherine Weaver, but they did a good job (perhaps too good of a job) of misleading us all season. The first real clue (though it was a mystery at the time) is early in the season when the Ellison robot showed up. With the benefit of hindsight, that's a strong indicator that his work with Weaver on developing John Henry wasn't much to Skynet's liking (which would mean John Henry isn't much to Skynet's liking!). Welcome to the world of endless TSCC speculation ;D I've yet to come up with a solid theory on Savannah, but I don't think she's the resistance leader. Even if j-day got bumped back a bit and it still took about a decade for the resistance to spring up in any organized fashion, I think she's too young. But she clearly has some importance that makes her a threat to Skynet. The main thing we know about Savannah is that she liked John Henry a lot. I think she looked at him as both a playmate/friend and as sort of a father figure. So that connection with a machine — that early bond she formed with John Henry is what I figure makes her an enemy of Skynet. I'm not sure how, though. Augh. The dots! I loved the story of Sarah's quest to figure out those dots, but in the end it all seemed to be nothing more than coincidence that her obsessive searching led back to The Turk. It vindicated Sarah to some extent, but it was also kind of irrelevant by then. I hope there would've been more significance to the 3 dots if we'd gotten a 3rd season. Jesse was part of a growing discontent in the resistance that felt John Connor was too close with the machines (especially Cameron). So she decided to do something about it. Her intentions may have been fine (that was the point of the sub story - to show why she was doing what she was doing in present day), but her methods were clearly flawed. She was willing to sacrifice a human life (Riley) in order to get John to turn away from and destroy Cameron. So basically, Jesse sort of became what she loathed about John Connor, valuing the mission itself more than human beings. We don't know. I think most fans (myself included) don't think Derek killed Jesse. The reasoning is that the close-up on Derek's trigger felt like a direct contrast to the close-up on Sarah's trigger when she killed Winston. Sarah's trigger pull was *BAM*, Derek's was click. I think he intended to kill Jesse, but at the last second, he couldn't do it. And that means Jesse's still running around in 2009. Sure he could've. He didn't know exactly where the machine was in the house and he was going in with gun at the ready because there'd been shooting and everyone was at risk. His only mistake was a split second of not considering that the machine could be around the corner from where he was headed. I don't think Derek's death made him seem weak or stupid. It was tragic and shocking and unexpected. The only thing I hated about Derek's death is it means... Derek is dead It's not supposed to fit with T3 and T4. The Sarah Connor Chronicles follows from T1 and T2 into a different story path. They retroactively messed with some dates, but the beginning of TSCC is supposed to be set about two years after the events of T2. Cameron's arrival is what splits it into a new timeline so T3 averted. Sarah gets jumped over her death and John doesn't end up wandering around alone for the next few years. We don't know if John will ever lead the resistance in the future that he's in now. If he did, it would play out differently than the stories we'd previously heard about John Connor because it looks like the resistance is already organized. He also doesn't have any reason to send Kyle back anyway (even if he eventually had the authority to do so) because he (John) already exists and he's a random nobody. In this future, no one ever heard of John Connor, so there's no reason to think Skynet would be going after Sarah Connor in 1984 to prevent his birth. I actually do think Sarah will be a target again, but not because she's John Connor's mother. I think she'll be a target in present day because she'll be going after Kaliba (and maybe protecting Savannah too). The fact that Sarah got arrested and was all over the news seems like story setup for Skynet to zero in on her. As for John, I don't think he'll be staying in the future. I think that'll be a temporary storyline that results in him actually choosing this life — wanting to save humanity from the horrors that he sees in the future. And the only way he can hope to do that is by coming back.
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Post by cromartie on Nov 15, 2010 9:35:01 GMT -5
Thanks Allergygal for your informative responses. I knew something was up when Kaliba used a worm to try to control John Henry, then tried to kill Savannah and Catherine Weaver, but they did a good job (perhaps too good of a job) of misleading us all season. The first real clue (though it was a mystery at the time) is early in the season when the Ellison robot showed up. With the benefit of hindsight, that's a strong indicator that his work with Weaver on developing John Henry wasn't much to Skynet's liking (which would mean John Henry isn't much to Skynet's liking!). What do you mean by Ellison robot? Sure he could've. He didn't know exactly where the machine was in the house and he was going in with gun at the ready because there'd been shooting and everyone was at risk. His only mistake was a split second of not considering that the machine could be around the corner from where he was headed. I don't think Derek's death made him seem weak or stupid. It was tragic and shocking and unexpected. With the funding for season 3 pulled, in my opinion Derek was hurriedly killed at end of season 2. More of a scriptwriter's rush job than a limitation of Derek. It's not supposed to fit with T3 and T4. The Sarah Connor Chronicles follows from T1 and T2 into a different story path. They retroactively messed with some dates, but the beginning of TSCC is supposed to be set about two years after the events of T2. Cameron's arrival is what splits it into a new timeline so T3 averted. Sarah gets jumped over her death and John doesn't end up wandering around alone for the next few years. Well explained! We don't know if John will ever lead the resistance in the future that he's in now. If he did, it would play out differently than the stories we'd previously heard about John Connor because it looks like the resistance is already organized. He also doesn't have any reason to send Kyle back anyway (even if he eventually had the authority to do so) because he (John) already exists and he's a random nobody. In this future, no one ever heard of John Connor, so there's no reason to think Skynet would be going after Sarah Connor in 1984 to prevent his birth. My thoughts exactly! I actually do think Sarah will be a target again, but not because she's John Connor's mother. I think she'll be a target in present day because she'll be going after Kaliba (and maybe protecting Savannah too). The fact that Sarah got arrested and was all over the news seems like story setup for Skynet to zero in on her. As for John, I don't think he'll be staying in the future. I think that'll be a temporary storyline that results in him actually choosing this life — wanting to save humanity from the horrors that he sees in the future. And the only way he can hope to do that is by coming back. Very interesting! Come on - it's time to be honest and realistic, will there really be a Season 3 for TSCC?
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Post by aztalanturf on Nov 15, 2010 21:31:14 GMT -5
Re Derek, the show was completed a couple months before they knew it wasn't coming back. They knew there was a possibility of renewal. They also knew they were "on the bubble" and could just as easily not be back. So I don't think the show's renewal status played a part in killing Derek.
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Post by allergygal on Nov 18, 2010 3:56:43 GMT -5
What do you mean by Ellison robot? At the beginning of "Brothers of Nablus" (season 2, episode 7), a cyborg that looks like Ellison shows up at Ellison's house to kill him, but Cromartie intervenes and destroys it. I assume that "Ellison" cyborg was sent take Ellison's place because if Skynet simply wanted Ellison dead, the cyborg wouldn't have needed to look like him. With the funding for season 3 pulled, in my opinion Derek was hurriedly killed at end of season 2. More of a scriptwriter's rush job than a limitation of Derek. The last few episodes of season 2 did feel a like a bit of a rush to tidy up and eliminate all the secondary characters, but I think Derek's death seemed like a deliberate choice so they could reboot the character after wrapping up the Jesse & Riley story. By killing Derek and reintroducing a new version of him in the finale, they essentially wiped the slate. Had the show continued, they could've made new Derek be similar to the original Derek or completely different. It still makes me sad that they did that Come on - it's time to be honest and realistic, will there really be a Season 3 for TSCC? It's really unlikely the show would ever come back as a regular series on TV, but there's been plenty of talk about the possibility of a continuation movie or series of movies. We have no definites or timetable on when that might happen, but we're all still quite hopeful. No fate!
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Post by littleb on Nov 18, 2010 4:03:28 GMT -5
Re Derek, the show was completed a couple months before they knew it wasn't coming back. They knew there was a possibility of renewal. They also knew they were "on the bubble" and could just as easily not be back. So I don't think the show's renewal status played a part in killing Derek. I think they killed him off because they'd run out of ideas for him. They'd painted him into a corner with the whole Jesse subplot - Sarah mistrusted him enough to ditch him and I just don't think the writers could be arsed trying to fix that. Too much time, too much effort. Easier to kill him off (and get brownie points for wrong-footing everyone and being really brave 'n' stuff) and then reset the character with a new Derek 2.0. BAG stays employed, they still get a Derek to write but without all the inconvenient baggage (heh baggage... no pun intended) Derek 1.0 had accrued. Bitter much? Yeah, a little. As shocking and brilliant a moment as Derek's death was, the more I thought about it, the more it just seemed like a cop-out. Kinda amuses me when I see fic or fans pairing up Ellison and Sarah as a buddy-team. She ditched Derek for knowing about Jesse, what the hell would she do with Ellison once she realised exactly how deep he was in the whole John Henry/Cromartie debacle? Irony is, the show probably was heading there had it got a third season which would have been ever so slightly annoying (well, for me at any rate!) I like to think Sarah wouldn't have such double-standards...
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Post by cromartie on Nov 18, 2010 6:58:28 GMT -5
Re Derek, the show was completed a couple months before they knew it wasn't coming back. They knew there was a possibility of renewal. They also knew they were "on the bubble" and could just as easily not be back. So I don't think the show's renewal status played a part in killing Derek. Thanks reneecckski
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Post by cromartie on Nov 18, 2010 6:59:28 GMT -5
What do you mean by Ellison robot? At the beginning of "Brothers of Nablus" (season 2, episode 7), a cyborg that looks like Ellison shows up at Ellison's house to kill him, but Cromartie intervenes and destroys it. I assume that "Ellison" cyborg was sent take Ellison's place because if Skynet simply wanted Ellison dead, the cyborg wouldn't have needed to look like him. The last few episodes of season 2 did feel a like a bit of a rush to tidy up and eliminate all the secondary characters, but I think Derek's death seemed like a deliberate choice so they could reboot the character after wrapping up the Jesse & Riley story. By killing Derek and reintroducing a new version of him in the finale, they essentially wiped the slate. Had the show continued, they could've made new Derek be similar to the original Derek or completely different. It still makes me sad that they did that Come on - it's time to be honest and realistic, will there really be a Season 3 for TSCC? It's really unlikely the show would ever come back as a regular series on TV, but there's been plenty of talk about the possibility of a continuation movie or series of movies. We have no definites or timetable on when that might happen, but we're all still quite hopeful. No fate! Thanks allergygal
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Post by cromartie on Nov 18, 2010 7:00:13 GMT -5
Re Derek, the show was completed a couple months before they knew it wasn't coming back. They knew there was a possibility of renewal. They also knew they were "on the bubble" and could just as easily not be back. So I don't think the show's renewal status played a part in killing Derek. I think they killed him off because they'd run out of ideas for him. They'd painted him into a corner with the whole Jesse subplot - Sarah mistrusted him enough to ditch him and I just don't think the writers could be arsed trying to fix that. Too much time, too much effort. Easier to kill him off (and get brownie points for wrong-footing everyone and being really brave 'n' stuff) and then reset the character with a new Derek 2.0. BAG stays employed, they still get a Derek to write but without all the inconvenient baggage (heh baggage... no pun intended) Derek 1.0 had accrued. Bitter much? Yeah, a little. As shocking and brilliant a moment as Derek's death was, the more I thought about it, the more it just seemed like a cop-out. Kinda amuses me when I see fic or fans pairing up Ellison and Sarah as a buddy-team. She ditched Derek for knowing about Jesse, what the hell would she do with Ellison once she realised exactly how deep he was in the whole John Henry/Cromartie debacle? Irony is, the show probably was heading there had it got a third season which would have been ever so slightly annoying (well, for me at any rate!) I like to think Sarah wouldn't have such double-standards... Thanks littleb ! Interesting.
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