roseredscare
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Post by roseredscare on Sept 10, 2008 10:38:31 GMT -5
Same with me if they off Derek.
Honestly, given some comments about the death from the actors and the writers and who was sitting at the comicon table when it was announced, I'm inclined to believe, by process of elimination, that Ellison is the one who's going to be killed.
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Post by Deep Art Frummy on Sept 10, 2008 12:54:32 GMT -5
I hope it's Catherine.
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Post by Ronnie on Sept 10, 2008 13:24:12 GMT -5
It's possible. But everyone remember the T-1000 from T2 as being the 'bad ass' villain, and I'm sure this is exciting to people who are not as hard-core as we are when it comes to this show. Introducing the latest and greatest Terminator, then killing it off right away (in one Season anyways), would seem counterproductive to bringing in the 'latest and greatest' Villain. Cromartie, a lowly T-888, is still running around the city at large, but they plan to dispatch of the T-1000 right away? Not sure how that would fly. I don't think the Conners will come into a direct confrontation with her anytime soon. Unfortunately, the initial idea of Catherine being human, then being killed/replaced by the T-1000 is no longer available. That would have been an easy out for the statement of 'Someone dying' this Season. Ellison seems like a likely candidate, but the shows Faith-related themes seem to be drawn from his experiences and beliefs in the world of TSCC. He is now working for Weaver in the coming Episodes, and assuming he brings her Cromartie, they might no longer have a use for him. I'd prefer to think that eventually he will have more interaction with the Connor group, rather than simply chasing their trail and now working with the Enemy. Derek is a possibility. I'd like to think that he WILL eventually go down, either saving John or Cameron's lives. His death will be meaningful, and be one of the big if not THE biggest turning points in John's transition from reluctant teenager to full on Resistance Leader. I think Derek will have a bigger hand in his training and development for the future, as alluded to by the upcoming scene at the Shooting Range. Derek will mostly likely go, but Season 2 is too soon. Cameron, I really don't believe she will go, at least not this soon. She is appearing to have free will becoming part of her being. John did nothing to fix her other than dust her off in 2x01, and she still had the Terminate command on her display once reactivated until it was overwritten, possibly by her. This goes in line with Weaver's Speech about computers going against the rules they have to follow and going against the light. And that's all I've got right now. I can guarantee it won't be John or Sarah. His new love interest wasn't on the panel at the time from what I recall, that would be the simplest solution. John falls in love, - John's love is taken - John is yet agained hardened for the Battlefield of the Future.
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Post by Derek Reese on Sept 10, 2008 13:46:54 GMT -5
Watched the Comic Con Panel yet again and yep, no Riley on the panel. So she's safe for the moment. Doesn't rule out that the conflict won't appear again at some point though.
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Post by vicheron on Sept 10, 2008 14:46:05 GMT -5
Cromartie, a lowly T-888, is still running around the city at large, but they plan to dispatch of the T-1000 right away? Not sure how that would fly. I don't think the Conners will come into a direct confrontation with her anytime soon. Unfortunately, the initial idea of Catherine being human, then being killed/replaced by the T-1000 is no longer available. That would have been an easy out for the statement of 'Someone dying' this Season. Ellison seems like a likely candidate, but the shows Faith-related themes seem to be drawn from his experiences and beliefs in the world of TSCC. He is now working for Weaver in the coming Episodes, and assuming he brings her Cromartie, they might no longer have a use for him. I'd prefer to think that eventually he will have more interaction with the Connor group, rather than simply chasing their trail and now working with the Enemy. But in the preview after the first episode, Catherine says that Ellison knows what killed those FBI officers and she wants him to find another one.
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Post by Ronnie on Sept 10, 2008 14:49:03 GMT -5
But in the preview after the first episode, Catherine says that Ellison knows what killed those FBI officers and she wants him to find another one. Exactly. In my post, I was assuming that she has a use for him in finding Cromartie for her, or some other unknown Terminator. Once he accomplishes that task, she will either kill him, or continue to use him as some sort of Errand-Boy.
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Post by vicheron on Sept 10, 2008 14:57:37 GMT -5
But in the preview after the first episode, Catherine says that Ellison knows what killed those FBI officers and she wants him to find another one. Exactly. In my post, I was assuming that she has a use for him in finding Cromartie for her, or some other unknown Terminator. Once he accomplishes that task, she will either kill him, or continue to use him as some sort of Errand-Boy. But the fact that Catherine says that she wants Ellison to "find another one" suggests that she doesn't want Cromartie otherwise she would have said that she wants Cromartie. It doesn't have to be an unknown Terminator, she could mean Cameron.
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Post by Deep Art Frummy on Sept 10, 2008 16:43:27 GMT -5
Bingo. Oh, and while the T-1000 is the best villian in terms of terminators, I want it killed off because it's Shirley's character. I'm sorry, but I just can't get over her acting (or lack thereof) and her Jetson's wardrobe. This is all coming from a bonafide Shirley/Garbage fan, btw.
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Post by jen22 on Sept 10, 2008 18:03:50 GMT -5
It doesn't have to be an unknown Terminator, she could mean Cameron. My thoughts exactly. Her comment about finding another one plus that line form the Premiere about 'the one that crosses the light' (or whatever) make me believe it's Cameron too. If the T-1000 wants a Terminator I'm sure there are enough running around and they are trackable. As long as they were send by Skynet. Cameron is the only Terminator that Catherine probably can't track down.
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Post by t101 on Sept 11, 2008 12:33:28 GMT -5
I bloody hell hope this all isn't some foreshadowing of Cameron's death.
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Post by richardstevenhack on Sept 11, 2008 21:58:42 GMT -5
If Weaver is looking for Cameron, that would be a signal that there is something special about Cameron that hasn't been brought out yet. It would fit my theory that she's "self-programming" now - and thus a direct threat to Skynet, which is presumably the only other "self-programming" program in the Terminator universe. That and Cameron's plans for John - and possibly for Skynet.
Some fan suggested on another board that perhaps Cameron is part of another "faction" of Terminators who are operating against Skynet. I wouldn't go so far as to suggest there are more like Cameron, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Cameron be a unique Terminator in that she has evolved self-awareness and a desire to survive independent of any programming.
Remember the scene where John is explaining the Singularity to Sarah? (By the way, he got it wrong - the Singularity does not depend solely on advanced AI) Notice how when he was talking about machines becoming smarter on their own, Cameron, who is standing guard at the window as usual, turns her head and looks at him. Now why do you think she REALLY kept Vic's chip and didn't tell Sarah or John that she did until she was caught with it?
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Post by nike75 on Sept 13, 2008 22:57:38 GMT -5
After watching the first episode a couple of times, my 1st thought was Ellison - the whole "I'm not going the devils work" just seems to be a very big anvil for his death as sacrifice.
But after watching it again and again (yeah, yeah, I'm this obsessive ;-) ) my second bet is on Cameron. 1. There is the last dialog with Sarah to not letting John bring her back if she went bad again. 2. I think John will learn to accept his destiny and he will grow up in this season but what he has to learn ultimately is to lead HUMANS without the help of a machine. He has to trust his own strength, his intelligence and his human allies to win the war. Yes, Cameron is an important ally to protect him if he can't do it himself but in the end he has to stand up for himself alone - this is what makes him the hero.
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Post by richardstevenhack on Sept 14, 2008 4:33:40 GMT -5
Well, they could do that without actually killing off Cameron. They can show John standing up for himself without killing her off. He could save her life instead of the reverse. That would be sufficient.
Also, if the death is supposed to be directly related to Judgment Day, I don't see how Cameron fits. In fact, I can't figure out how any of the people on the show would directly cause Judgment Day if they die. It's a conundrum, all right.
I just had the thought that maybe Skynet does Judgment Day because someone IT LIKES dies! And it retaliates against humans because of that! Hmmm... Maybe the person who creates Skynet dies and that is what causes Skynet to go bad. That would implicate Catherine Weaver if she is the one who causes Skynet to be built. Sort of like being Skynet's "mother"! That would fit the mythos all right - one "mother" - Sarah - opposed to another "mother" - Weaver. One mother's "child" - Skynet - has to be destroyed by another mother's child - John Connor.
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Post by vicheron on Sept 14, 2008 20:11:07 GMT -5
The destruction of the Terminator in T1 led the creation of the neural net processor, which Skynet was based on. If either Cromartie or Cameron dies then their chip can be recovered and used to build Skynet.
The more TSCC ads I see, the less I think they'll kill Cameron off or if they do kill her off, it won't be permanent. The whole advertising campaign for TSCC seems to be centered around Summer Glau. Despite the fact that the show is called Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, pretty much every ad I see for the show focuses on Summer. There are far more Summer exclusive billboards/commercials/banners/etc. than Lena and Thomas ones. Even if the writers want to kill Cameron off, I don't think the network would let them.
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Post by viper2005 on Sept 19, 2008 0:18:36 GMT -5
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