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Post by k8ie on Apr 3, 2008 3:12:43 GMT -5
As long as you don't find yourself mouthing the dialogue along with Lena Headey, you're probably good.
If you do find yourself mouthing the dialogue along with Lena Headey, then it's time to create a drinking game.
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Post by miniglik on Apr 7, 2008 14:33:44 GMT -5
I've changed my mind on this 'ship.
I think I'd like to see it, but, almost as a cold, unemotional thing.
Television (with a few exceptions) almost never does this. I'd just like it acknowledged that as the two adult humans in that house, living in a tense wartime type lifestyle, they'd probably hook up now and then.
Why wouldn't they, given their backgrounds?
I mean, the kind of thing where Derek gets invited into Sarah's room now and then (although he always sleeps on the couch afterward). No one talks about it, John acts like he doesn't notice, Cameron makes occasional comment/questions that everyone ignores, etc.
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Post by Derek Reese on Apr 7, 2008 22:39:06 GMT -5
Only time will really tell on this one. If it does or doesn't happen.
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Post by k8ie on Apr 8, 2008 8:15:33 GMT -5
There's been some fic that's explored that idea. I think a one night stand to take the edge off would be in character for Sarah but (when I take off the shippery tinfoil hat) I'm not convinced that it's a line Sarah would cross with Derek. I can see them falling for each other easier than I can using each other for sex. With the *hated* pure heart comment, I wonder if Derek's not putting Sarah onto a pedestal - his brother's woman, therefore inviolate and all that jazz.
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Post by miniglik on Apr 8, 2008 11:41:44 GMT -5
It depends on how callous we think they are about those kinds of things. In T2 we're told that Sarah shacked up with guys to learn from them, which leads me to believe that sex is No Big Deal in her book. (And I can't imagine it being a big deal in Derek's mind. He doesn't strike me as the virginal Kyle-type.)
As for actual feelings, I think there's potential there, but there's the line I think they would issues with crossing. (Which could, potentially, be interesting. It could be overly melodramatic too, but either way...)
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Post by k8ie on Apr 8, 2008 12:52:13 GMT -5
I think it's more a "thing she wouldn't do with Kyle's brother" than a thing she wouldn't do.
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Post by ReeseDN38416 on Apr 9, 2008 1:38:02 GMT -5
I think it's more a "thing she wouldn't do with Kyle's brother" than a thing she wouldn't do. I agree. Also, Sarah has healed and grown since T2. I think she would hesitate to shack up with abandon the way she did in the early days. Especially after Charlie... I think she's less likely to enter into such a vampiric type of relationship.
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Post by rossbondreturns on Apr 9, 2008 1:43:14 GMT -5
100 percent agreeance with K8tie and ReeseDN38416.
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Post by allergygal on Apr 9, 2008 17:41:36 GMT -5
Sarah still loves Charley, so I don't see her hooking up with Derek either. I think current Sarah thinks things through too much to even get involved with Derek short term.
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Post by Derek Reese on Apr 29, 2008 17:42:16 GMT -5
Just really depends on the circumstances of their relationships, when whatever storm hits them hard, hits them.
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Post by k8ie on Apr 30, 2008 20:08:21 GMT -5
If Derek and Sarah ever turns out remotely like Buffy and Spike, I will not only turn off the TV, I will burn it to the ground and salt the ashy remains just to be sure.
I disagree - on a lot of levels Derek and Sarah are the only two people (Cameron doesn't really count) who understand what the other has been through. It's imperfect (see Sarak's comment about dropping bombs; I expect Derek will say something equally oblivious given time) but it's there. It might not be enough to hold a relationship together but it might be enough to start one.
There's also the fact that they're both still not over losing Kyle Reese, which could either be something that keeps them apart or brings them together. The ability to talk honestly about Kyle to someone who knew Kyle and is not her 16-year-old son would really good for Sarah. Like the woman said, "in an insane world, [Derek Reese] was the sanest choice" or words to that effect.
Keep in mind, I'm not a shipper and I'm ambivalent about Derek Reese's continued existence at best - I have no dog in this fight - I'm just saying that, objectively, IMO, Derek is probably the only guy that Sarah could come close to being in an honest, healthy relationship.
(sorry, I seem to be responding to stuff from the first page and not the fourth. Anyway, thought still stands but apparently, I fail board navigation tonight)
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Post by Derek Reese on May 1, 2008 1:57:44 GMT -5
Its alright. It happens.
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Post by allergygal on May 1, 2008 3:04:43 GMT -5
Derek and Sarah are the only two people (Cameron doesn't really count) who understand what the other has been through. It's imperfect (see Sarak's comment about dropping bombs; I expect Derek will say something equally oblivious given time) but it's there. It might not be enough to hold a relationship together but it might be enough to start one. There's also the fact that they're both still not over losing Kyle Reese, which could either be something that keeps them apart or brings them together. The ability to talk honestly about Kyle to someone who knew Kyle and is not her 16-year-old son would really good for Sarah. Like the woman said, "in an insane world, [Derek Reese] was the sanest choice" or words to that effect. Keep in mind, I'm not a shipper and I'm ambivalent about Derek Reese's continued existence at best - I have no dog in this fight - I'm just saying that, objectively, IMO, Derek is probably the only guy that Sarah could come close to being in an honest, healthy relationship. I knew there was something lacking in my life... what was it, what was it... oh yeah, Sarah/derek discussion! Oh you had to go and mention Sarah's comment about dropping the bombs, didn't you? That's one of those moments I hated (I'll try to keep my rant brief) because I can't imagine her saying something like that after 17 years of thinking about the bombs dropping, nuclear nightmares, preparing John, etc.. It seems unlikely she'd say that in passing to anyone, let alone Derek, who's lived through it. It's the kind of off the cuff remark regular people make, not her. I get the point that she's not perfect, but I wanted to pummel a writer over that one. I still don't know how I feel about a Sarah and Derek relationship. I change my mind daily (probably why I haven't finished my fic). But I do like the notion that they're the only ones who can really understand each other - about Kyle, the future. But Derek's still the shifty one with the quick trigger finger, so I don't know. Whatever happens, I look forward to some tension and drama.
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Post by k8ie on May 1, 2008 9:36:36 GMT -5
I think that's a far bigger stumbling block right now than Kyle Reese, IMO. I think Sarah understands why Derek does what he does, the way he does, but the boy needs to have a "come to Jesus" moment otherwise, she's going to have to put him down like a rabid dog. That "we'll destroy the world to save it" bs is what got the human race enough nuclear weapons to destroy the planet four or fives times over (some of which have disappeared to God knows where) - I would think the writers haven't lost sight of that fact. I went "beh?" during that scene, too. OTOH, I think it works if only to establish the different POVs - Derek lived through the end of the world but did so as a child. I don't think he's consciously naive but, underneath, his idea of the world he's living in belongs to a fifteen-year-old (standard version, not John Connor custom-job ). Sarah OTOH hasn't seen Judgement Day in the flesh but has been formed by many of the worst aspects of human nature and behaviour. It probably isn't a stretch to imagine that her nightmares of nuclear armaggedon (however that's spelled) are informed by things she's seen in real life. Someone wrote in a post that Sarah's love for John is her love for mankind, I think that Sarah focuses on John because there's a part of her that would let the whole thing burn.
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Post by allergygal on May 6, 2008 15:26:29 GMT -5
I think that's a far bigger stumbling block right now than Kyle Reese, IMO. I think Sarah understands why Derek does what he does, the way he does, but the boy needs to have a "come to Jesus" moment otherwise, she's going to have to put him down like a rabid dog. That "we'll destroy the world to save it" bs is what got the human race enough nuclear weapons to destroy the planet four or fives times over (some of which have disappeared to God knows where) - I would think the writers haven't lost sight of that fact. Yeah, she understands why he killed Andy since she almost did the same thing once with Dyson. And I guess that's why she was really only angry about him lying to her. The only reason I can even think for Derek lying is because he intends to hunt down and kill the rest of the guys Andy worked with. And he knows if he told her the whole story, she'd just try to stop him.
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