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Post by vicheron on Apr 21, 2009 12:26:21 GMT -5
I bet that Cameron's body has been destroyed and the only way to procure a replacement is if Allison gets captured by Skynet and makes a Terminator based on her.
Also, what Mr. Murch said about how John Henry only existing as the specific collection of software and hardware suggests that there will be a major change now that John Henry is in Cameron's chip regardless of whether they're both in the chip or if they switched places. What Mr. Murch said about John Henry may also apply to Cameron. She may also exist only as the specific collection of software and hardware that she is and if she went over to the Turk then that will change her just as if John Henry's programming is in the chip with her.
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Post by t101 on Apr 21, 2009 13:38:26 GMT -5
She's already been inside the traffic network and it didn't change her. Terminator AI maybe a lot more robustly built, as opposed to the more wild experimental AI like JH.
There may be some changes coming but I don't see them making Cameron as we know her unrecognizable.
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Post by timstuff on Apr 21, 2009 14:39:03 GMT -5
Cameron's body wasn't destroyed. It was in better shape than Cromartie's was when Zierra Corp fixed it, so I don't see why it can't be similarly repaired. And if it's about it being in the TDE bubble, consider this: it would have had to have been in the TDE when John Henry went through, and if it wasn't vaporized the first time, it wouldn't be the second time through either. If anything actually gets vaporized by the TDE, it would only be the clothes on the people traveling through. But John did go with Riley - as Cameron was just a machine. Now there would be a real girl again. And cute too. John was with Riley for all the wrong reasons. He basically saw it as a competition, at first with his family, and then later with Jesse. He was mad at his mom and Cameron, and decided he'd Or maybe she is going with John's father, they did come to the scene at the same time. That would be shocking, sure, but it would open up a brand new can of worms that I'm not sure if the audience would want to deal with. Also, there's nothing to suggest Kyle would have been with Allison, and not the other woman who came in with him-- assuming he is with anyone in the current time line. And lastly, Allison doesn't look at all like she'd be Kyle's "type," which Derek described Sarah being in. Actually I don't care if there is a "John and Allison" or not but wish Summer Glau gets to act more Allison than Cameron. While I think Allison does allow Summer Glau to show off more of her range as an actress, I do not want to see more Allison than Cameron, because I think Cameron is a much more compelling character. Allison is mostly defined by the fact that she's the human that Cameron's face and body were replicated from. With Cameron however, you can't really top the fact that she's an evolving cyborg. I wouldn't fuss too much over which character lets Summer act more, because Cameron is already a challenging character to play. She's not emotionless, but her what she does emote is subtle, which is much more challenging to pull off in and of itself. Also, I think that the fact that Cameron is evolving will open up more opportunities for Summer to act through her in the future. I mean, no-one really saw an emotional Cameron coming in "Allison from Palmdale," and I'm sure the character still has plenty of surprises left for us.
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Post by tupler on Apr 21, 2009 15:18:07 GMT -5
Don't know about that "is not his type", it's wartime there and seeking one's type might be a luxury they cannot afford. How many people end up with someone who's their type anyhow? Couples tend to become more alike and sometimes they seem to become like their parents were, too, but they often start as quite different from each other.
About the Cameron/Allison acting: It took me while to get that Cameron is the same actress as River Tam as the role is so different and the actress is versatile enough to do such different roles. Probably watched the whole of first season before reading about it somewhere in the net. To compare this, I did notice Jewel Staite (I had to look up the names just now though) in Stargate Atlantis as well as Morena Baccarin in SG immediately despite not reading about their appearances beforehand. Still I would imagine playing a robot with a blank face is wasting her talent, no matter the subtle expressions.
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Post by timstuff on Apr 21, 2009 16:44:48 GMT -5
Don't know about that "is not his type", it's wartime there and seeking one's type might be a luxury they cannot afford. How many people end up with someone who's their type anyhow? Couples tend to become more alike and sometimes they seem to become like their parents were, too, but they often start as quite different from each other.[/quote Well, like I said, there's no reason to believe that Kyle would have been involved with Allison, and not the unknown female resistance fighter who followed him in. Or neither, for all we know. Also, the fact that Derek seemed to know pretty well what Kyle's "type" is, seems to suggest that there have been enough women around for him to show a preference. Sarah, Cameron, and Allison are similar in that they're all strong, but I imagine that anyone who survives through the nightmare of 2027 would be pretty tough by default. About the Cameron/Allison acting: It took me while to get that Cameron is the same actress as River Tam as the role is so different and the actress is versatile enough to do such different roles. Probably watched the whole of first season before reading about it somewhere in the net. To compare this, I did notice Jewel Staite (I had to look up the names just now though) in Stargate Atlantis as well as Morena Baccarin in SG immediately despite not reading about their appearances beforehand. Still I would imagine playing a robot with a blank face is wasting her talent, no matter the subtle expressions. As I stated before, Cameron will offer Summer more opportunities for expression in the future, because she's an evolving character. No-one saw the way Cameron behaved in Allison from Palmdale coming, so clearly Cam has it in her to be a lot more expressive than she currently is, and I suspect that eventually it's going to come out again. With Summer as Allison in the next few episodes, it will be nice to get another demo of what kind of skill she has and could potentially show off as Cameron in the future, but I don't think that that would justify keeping Allison around beyond John's brief trip to 2027.
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Post by VALIANT CHAMPION on Apr 21, 2009 19:08:33 GMT -5
Jameron may be done for.
I foresee the next series running in two seperate story lines.
One is with John in the future.
The other with Cameron in the past.
One of the scientists with Cameron's AI help will prepare the born to runs dead terminator chip for download from the Turk. Cameron will work with Sarah and Ellison to fight present SKYNET.
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Post by timstuff on Apr 21, 2009 21:21:16 GMT -5
I don't really see that being correct on any count... They're not going to keep John in the future indefinitely, because then they'd be destroying the family drama aspect of the show. TSCC is, first and foremost, a family drama, and if you break up the family permanently then it turns into something else. I think that there will be a past / future split story, but only for the first couple episodes of season 3. John will return to 2009 eventually.
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Post by vicheron on Apr 21, 2009 22:41:53 GMT -5
She's already been inside the traffic network and it didn't change her. Terminator AI maybe a lot more robustly built, as opposed to the more wild experimental AI like JH. There may be some changes coming but I don't see them making Cameron as we know her unrecognizable. Cameron didn't have to upload her program into the traffic computers. She only needed to access the computers and mess with their programming. John Henry could do that too, he accessed surveillence cameras all over the city and he opened the prison doors, and that doesn't change him either. This is something completely different. Cameron isn't just accessing another computer. She's adding another operating system to her chip.
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Post by tupler on Apr 22, 2009 3:13:26 GMT -5
Jameron may be done for. I foresee the next series running in two seperate story lines. One is with John in the future. The other with Cameron in the past. One of the scientists with Cameron's AI help will prepare the born to runs dead terminator chip for download from the Turk. Cameron will work with Sarah and Ellison to fight present SKYNET. That depends. Did they go to the same time as John Henry? Or did they go to the future to try find out where John Henry went? If it is the same time, they could find him and return quite quickly. There being plenty of space in the time bubble, they could even take Allison or someone else with them to the relative safety of the past. If it is to try find out, they could be there a while. Also with time travel available they could go to yet another time.
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Post by VALIANT CHAMPION on Apr 22, 2009 16:52:39 GMT -5
Well I had theorized that John Henry went to a future with John Connor (because he was still in the loop )while John Connor and Cat went to a future without him (because when they left he disappeared from the loop)
Of course that suggest that Cat made a mistake in deciding to time travel with John in the sphere. Robots arent supposed to make mistakes.
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Post by timstuff on Apr 22, 2009 18:17:34 GMT -5
That doesn't really make sense though. If John Connor is able to travel to a John-less version of the future as a result of him disappearing in 2009, shouldn't the future that John Henry traveled to likewise be affected by the consequences of him leaving the timeline? Unless someone was to travel backwards in time and stop John from going to 2027, he would have followed JH, so the future that JH arrived in would have been without John Connor. Really, this whole time line was created by the Waterboy Terminator, since he started the chain of events that ended with Cameron giving her chip to John Henry. As soon as that particular Terminator landed in 2009, the future had been changed to one without John Connor, and it will stay that way until John decides to go home.
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Post by VALIANT CHAMPION on Apr 22, 2009 21:25:48 GMT -5
When John Henry left John Connor was still in the past so that when John Henry arrived in the future John Connor would be there.
However that does not mean that they will not come across John Henry in the future. Just not exactly the one that jumped before John and Catherine jumped.
All this is probably beyond the writers scope when they wrote it. It could have easily been overlooked and if this theory does not manifest itself in the series it would not bother me.
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Post by timstuff on Apr 22, 2009 21:43:21 GMT -5
By the time John Henry arrived in the future, John Connor had already left. I don't think I can make it any simpler than that...
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