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Post by aceplace57 on Sept 1, 2008 2:16:04 GMT -5
Dialogue transcribed from deleted Dungeons and Dragons scene DVD disk 2
Charley, a father figure to John, is preparing to leave Sarah's house.
Charley: So, a ah Cybernetic organism over a hyperalloy combat chassis.
John: That's what she says.
Charley: she, that's kind of weird isn't it? because she really isn't a she. it's really not anything. But I guess you get used to it right? You end up looking at her like she's a normal girl.
John: Normal? Definitely not normal.
Charley: I guess it's easy to forget what she is.The more she's around.
John: Are you asking me if I like her? Like, like,like her? No Dude come on! That's insane.
Charley: Is it? Don't forget I used to see you down at the bike shop with that girl.
John: What girl?
Charley: The girl Johnny, Come on, at the parts counter, one with the tattoo right there. How many times did you and I go back for just the right brick pack?
pause, shot of Sarah watching them through a window
Charley: I gotta go, Let's hope it's not another eight years.
John: It's only been a month
Charley: yeah right, well I dont't want to think too hard on that.
John: feels like a lot longer.
Charley: Come here (hug) don't forget what she is. Ok?
as he leaves... Take care of your mom.
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Post by Derek Reese on Sept 1, 2008 3:12:16 GMT -5
Karma for the transcript.
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Post by rove3 on Sept 2, 2008 16:14:10 GMT -5
I think part of the reason why future!John is the leader of the revolution is that he doesn't give up on people, so i can see present!John doing the same to Cameron in S2. No giving up on her just because she had a malfunction. It's John's humanity (coupled with knowledge of course) that will make him a leader, so what a better example to show this then on Cameron -a terminator gone awok. I agree with this too. I'm on board with this ship not so much from a romantic standpoint (because i'm not sure how that would work out for obvious reasons ) but more so from a trust angle. I find it fascinating that John seems to have such an intense trust for Cameron, which may be because of his positive experiences with Terminators as someone mentioned upthread. In Vick's Chip he seemed very emphatic in his response to Derek's warning that he would be killed by a terminator one day: "It won't be this one." And I'm interpreting Derek's warning as just a general "be careful" and not as something specific that he knows as a fact.
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traitorsgate
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This is Cam. She's trained for an Off-World kick murder squad. Talk about Beauty and the Beast.
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Post by traitorsgate on Sept 2, 2008 16:44:07 GMT -5
He has to trust her/it for the simple reason that without their Terminator protectors the Connors would have been a red stain on the pavement years ago.
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Post by guerrero on Sept 9, 2008 22:25:29 GMT -5
Can we now say the John and Cameron are officially canon?
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Post by Derek Reese on Sept 10, 2008 14:08:13 GMT -5
It really depends on the intent of the situation and how things play out in the future. If anything the situation leaves more questions than answers in the long run. But what I'm getting at is "love" can be intrepreted in many different ways. How she loves John kind of remains unclear at present.
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Post by bowman on Sept 10, 2008 14:16:52 GMT -5
Or if it was just a trick as Sarah said. That's left a bit open, I like that.
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Post by t101 on Sept 10, 2008 14:17:24 GMT -5
John has some very strong emotions for her, I think that's what's clearly canon. If you don't try to wrap your tongue around it choosing an emotion to also try to convey the obvious complexity of the situation -- I'd say he loves her.
It's very early to tell what's in Cameron's head.
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Post by guerrero on Sept 10, 2008 16:54:48 GMT -5
Well that's good enough for me .
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traitorsgate
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Post by traitorsgate on Sept 10, 2008 17:26:06 GMT -5
John has some very strong emotions for her, I think that's what's clearly canon. If you don't try to wrap your tongue around it choosing an emotion to also try to convey the obvious complexity of the situation -- I'd say he loves her. In his own socially maladjusted way he probably thinks he does. Throw a human into an isolation cell for years and then give them a teddy bear, the first thing they'll do is form a relationship with the toy. Until JC learns a little more about human relationships his reaction to those around him will remain emotionally stunted. After all had the producers not introduced a female Terminator into the equation, effectively as a red herring then in all likelihood we'd be staring at a possible Oedipus Complex between John & Sarah Connor as an illustration of how abnormal John Connor's psyche has become as a result of his upbringing. Hence the significance of the Riley character as a means for JC to learn to understand male/female relationships beyond the confines of his mother and bot protector.
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Post by IntrepidVillain on Sept 14, 2008 19:13:12 GMT -5
In his own socially maladjusted way he probably thinks he does. Throw a human into an isolation cell for years and then give them a teddy bear, the first thing they'll do is form a relationship with the toy. Until JC learns a little more about human relationships his reaction to those around him will remain emotionally stunted. I like the teddy bear analogy. It makes me feel fuzzy. After all had the producers not introduced a female Terminator into the equation, effectively as a red herring then in all likelihood we'd be staring at a possible Oedipus Complex between John & Sarah Connor as an illustration of how abnormal John Connor's psyche has become as a result of his upbringing. Hence the significance of the Riley character as a means for JC to learn to understand male/female relationships beyond the confines of his mother and bot protector. Oedipus Complex lol! I never really thought of mother-son sexual bonding. I've been wondering why people thought Lena was attractive and I now think I understand why. John and Sarah certainly do feel "cozy" in some episodes, and Lena's Sarah certainly would feel like a "sexy mother." She's certainly got the looks. As said in one of the promos: One woman stands for her son....(Mother -- Sarah) Another stands for hope....(Girlfriend -- Riley) Another because you just can't knock her down....(Cyborg -- Cameron) I wonder how many more women John is going to get? What a lucky guy. It reminds me of Porco Rosso.
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Post by cameronconnor08 on Sept 25, 2008 17:46:31 GMT -5
Not gonna lie, I quite enjoy the idea of these two together...
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Post by timstuff on Sept 26, 2008 12:31:19 GMT -5
I really wish they'd address this in the show. I mean seriously, both John and Sarah must wonder why future!John sent back a teen girl robot to live with them. Maybe in the future (pre Judgment Day), John and Cameron will actually have a relationship. Through a tragic event In the deep future, when John finds Cameron (pre-reprogramming), he decides to send her back in time because he knows it has to be done, like when he sent Kyle back. If he doesn't send Cameron back, he won't have to deal with the pain of losing her, but at the same time he'll never have been able to love her either. Maybe there's even more to it than that, but I do have a feeling that Cameron was "John's favorite," and that he sent her to be with his younger self for a specific purpose.
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kit
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Post by kit on Sept 26, 2008 15:18:22 GMT -5
Not gonna lie, I quite enjoy the idea of these two together... Yeah, your username kinda gave it away. LOL! I like them together too. Cameron sure beats Katherine from T-3.
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Post by sandrinha on Sept 26, 2008 19:22:25 GMT -5
One woman stands for her son....(Mother -- Sarah) Another stands for hope....(Girlfriend -- Riley) Another because you just can't knock her down....(Cyborg -- Cameron) I laughed so hard when i saw this promo lol.
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