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Post by Derek Reese on Feb 29, 2008 15:20:16 GMT -5
Discuss his character here.
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Post by dhfreak on Mar 3, 2008 3:36:51 GMT -5
All I have to say... He ROCKS. I love John Connor. He always thinks on his feet.
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Post by kittybot on Mar 5, 2008 9:40:21 GMT -5
I like how they've written TSCC's John.
I can easily believe that that is the kid from T2 (of course not the same actor) but the spirit of the character is there. And Thomas is doing great especially in the emotional scenes.
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Post by ReeseDN38416 on Mar 6, 2008 14:02:01 GMT -5
I also love John's character. After the Pilot I thought I was going to have to be really patient for the kick butt hero moments. But they've already started to weave great heroic moments in with his vulnerability. It's fun. Thomas Dekker is my fave John Connor now.
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Post by Derek Reese on Mar 6, 2008 17:56:57 GMT -5
Even if he doesn't become a leader off the bat, his skills have come a long way since T2. On some level, I think he still fears the Terminators, even though he has one at his side, but he doesn't really question the nature of what it is that he has to do to make a difference and succeed in correcting the future. Again, I use correcting loosely in this case since the future can be undetermined at this point.
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Post by LR_Roxy on Mar 7, 2008 5:13:19 GMT -5
well since i have never seen the movies and don't have the background knowledge, i can't really compare this john connor to the others... i really like him! he's a very smart and funny kid. thomas dekker is a great actor. if anyone has seen heroes, imo he really improved his and is way better in this role!
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Post by Derek Reese on Mar 7, 2008 5:17:48 GMT -5
Honestly, on HEROES I don't think they knew what they wanted to do with the character.
Within the Terminator universe, John is absolutely crucial. He's one of the key elements or the key element to ending the Future War hence why the Terminator's are so hell bent on getting rid of him.
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Post by jnblz316 on Mar 7, 2008 15:01:41 GMT -5
The one thing I find great and amazing about the John Conner character is his denial of being the savior of the human race but he shows it constantly through out the show naturally. It just becomes more imitate that this is his destiny yet he refuses to accept it. J-day is inevitable because we as a race are always curious and we are always one step closer to opening Pandora's box. This is IMO the best version of John Conner.
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Post by allergygal on Mar 7, 2008 19:49:13 GMT -5
I still don't really see traditional "leader" in this John Connor. He's too moody and impulsive and naive. When he tried jumping into the fire in Heavy Metal, I think he realized just how close he came to getting himself killed. He wants to assert himself, do things his way, but he still has a lot to learn. It's a realistic portrayal and I like it -- I'm not ready to believe a 16-year old can lead an army against the machines, even if he is John Connor.
For now, he seems more like the guy behind the scenes helping to fight the war on a technological front. If the future's not set and Sarah and John can change his fate, maybe this is actually how he'll end up leading and winning the war against the machines. Whatever way they ultimately take him in this show, I like that it's a believable progression.
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Post by Derek Reese on Mar 7, 2008 20:01:27 GMT -5
At the Wonder Con, Dekker said he was eager to get into it since he didn't get to do anything this season. Friedman though is all about the process of growth, so we'll gradually see him get to that point, even if it isn't necessary in this timeline. Only time will really tell in the long run.
Personally, a part of myself is subscribed to the T3 movie approach. That they can only forestall things before it comes down, but in each case it really depends on the writers and producers of each project.
Cameron himself envisioned a happy ending with John as a senator with a daughter in an alternate ending.
At 16, he's not ready by far hence why he passed on control to his mother in the pilot. He knew he wasn't ready for it, although his mother has put him through rigorous training throughout the world. He's still got a lot to lose and gain in the days ahead before he becomes a full on leader.
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Post by kittybot on Mar 8, 2008 4:46:11 GMT -5
I dont want him to be rushed, like I dont want the progresion process of John's character to be instantly "perfect, no-mistakes, know-it-how-all" leader (that description fits Skynet to me because humans arent perfect and they dont know everything and yes we make mistakes) I like that he's sort of in self-doubt, denial, fear and is hesitant to step up, atleast in his mind he is. I dont think he's aware of his potential yet.
I dont want a John Connor who thinks he is above everyone, his future isnt written in stone that we know of (it might be or might change or be altered) so he isnt indestructable. I like his humanity and vulverablity. If he starts thinking he can lead now then he'll get arrogant, cocky and sloppy and make more mistakes than he would than he does now when he uses his gut instincts even if he's not certain if they'll work. Not saying he should take risks (like in Heavy Metal) but if he didnt and just sit and do nothing (and we know he doesnt want to do that) than they wouldnt have learned anything. Leaders arent born they're made. I dont think Sarah is baby-ing him, but I'd like to see her & Derek challenge John more like when Derek took Cam's chip like in T2 when Sarah wanted to destroy Arnie's chip that we saw John take control of both the situations. I like this John, I'm giving him time and looking forward to watching him evolve. What I loved most is even though he may not want this destiny (who would want it?) he doesnt want to run from it either.
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Post by Derek Reese on Mar 8, 2008 5:14:22 GMT -5
Karma for some nice points there!
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Post by kittybot on Mar 8, 2008 5:32:08 GMT -5
Thanks for the karma Funny that I picked for my example the scenes where John protects two terminator chips (from Sarah in T2 and Derek in ep8) I'll explain; It says alot to me because Sarah & Derek would pick the rational way in their eyes; 'destroy the chip now while we got the chance, we're better of without the machine' it does seem the most reasonable. But John would rather learn from the Terminators (and the fact that he finds them as confidants or friends) and that they have better odds of survivng with a machine on their side. Keep your friends close and your 'frienemies' closer
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Post by Derek Reese on Mar 8, 2008 5:35:32 GMT -5
Welcome.
Survival is something that's key to the Connor's life style. It's just something that's engrained into their minds. Partially thanks to Kyle and partially thanks to Sarah's own issues with both the Terminator and her time inside the mental hospital. John's picked up a lot of traits from her in general. Both in and out of the movie.
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Post by tzigone on Mar 8, 2008 10:04:45 GMT -5
I do want John to be strong, brave, leading, forceful and determined now- I want him to be more impressive now than in T2 - I feel like he's regressed (in the early eps), gone backwards, and that's not a good thing. He was originally 12/13 when J-Day occurred, and I can't forget that, either. He was capable and ready and strong in T2, and I don't like the idea that he becomes less of a man or less of a hero as time goes by. We are getting some of that now, from John, and that's great, but it's needs to be consistent. No more "I can't" - I've been pretty happy in that regard for the past few eps, but I have residual Smallville-bitterness. For me it's a defining characteristic that when the rest of the world said "we can't" about fighting back, he was one that said "we can." Before Cromartie showed up, there was nothing at stake so his issues were perfectly fine. But he's been trained all his life so that he would step up when the time came, and I think the time is now.
More than that, the war is now (the opening credits say so), so he should be leading and stepping up now. I don't want to watch and entire series of him not being capable and ready and not leading just he can step up and do in the last four eps and basically never need the skills again.
Sarah has been preparing him and training him his entire life for the war against Skynet. This is the war against Skynet. This is what she's been preparing him for. I'd like to think it paid off.
Plus, I think the storyline of Sarah having to let go, to know that her self-assigned role in life (to train and protect John until the time came) is ending is a fantastic one.. For her to have to let him, to support him in risking his life (even though she hates it) and in being a hero. To seeing him and leader and following him as such. To finding her own new purpose (and I have no idea what that could be).
I like his strong stance about not killing Miles Dyson in T2, and hope to see it come up again when he finally finds out about Enrique and Andy. I loved that about him, it made me think he should be a leader (plus he just rocked entirely in all the Dyson-house scenes). So I'd hate to see his views there watered down or him accepting it as "necessary" (I don't too much fear that, except Derek is such a popular character that I do fear it some - that they'll have the characters accept him because most of the audience does), I'm very annoyed at how there was no confrontation or anything from Sarah but "don't do again" - really was hoping or a lot more fallout. And I hope Sarah and John both getting on teaching Cameron this right from wrong thing soon, because I cannot stand them condoning her killing innocent people (or "possibly lying" people or wanting to let people die).
I never viewed that that way. Especially from Sarah. I always thought that scene was to display in irrationality - she has a visceral terror of that model in particular. We saw in the institution. She turned and ran and didn't think, lost her training. They grabbed her and she didn't fight back with skill, just kept trying to crawl. There was no thought, just instinct, just terror. She had a extreme hatred for the Terminator - she wanted it dead not because it practical, but because she wanted it dead. Logically, it better use alive as an ally (and no indication that any reprogrammed Terminators turn bad in T2). But she hated it and wanted it dead - she was very emotional about that, it wasn't cool practicality.
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